Finally read Cosbys whole speech. Why would a black person disagree?

[William F. Russell]

I feel sorry for you because you are easily fooled...Everybody says "we" bruh,Charles barkely says we,new blacks say "us"....for example "Things like this make US look bad to white people yall"

"Ladies and gentlemen, the lower economic and lower middle economic people are [not*] holding their end in this deal"-First line of second paragraph of Bill Cosbys speech

But ill let you tell it though.

1. He said "we" several times throughout the speech.

2. Is it not true that lower class blacks are not holding their end of the deal? Again, while systematic racism is a huge factor, let's not act like many lower class people haven't been taking personal responsibility for their decisions. Out of wedlock births? Relying on government assistance? Not taking their education seriously? Immortalizing drug dealers and entertainers? Doing drugs and committing crime? Some don't even make an effort to try to improve themselves on a daily basis. At a certain point, we must look internally and wonder what we are doing to help ourselves despite systematic racism and oppression. Although not ideal, there are opportunities. That was the crux of Cosby's speech. Your critiique that he didn't acknowledge/criticize systematic racism is incorrect, immaterial, and hackneyed. The point is, we have to do for ourselves.

But keep blaming whitey and racism for so many of us having kids out of wedlock. Keep blaming whitey and racism for deciding to commit crimes (petty or significant). Keep blaming whitey and racism for deciding to do drugs instead of taking school seriously. Keep blaming whitey and racism for glorifying and imitating trap stars, rappers, and athletes instead of forging our own identity and setting our own standards for behavior.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

OK, but why would you assume that Bill Cosby (who has a demonstrated history of philanthropy and black empowerment) have the same motives as Bill O'Reilly?

Because the rhetoric is the same. Based of the same propaganda and factual inaccuracies.

I don't know cosbys motive. What I do know is that he failed miserably at inspiring people. Check out some mlk or Malcolm x speeches if you want to hear an effective speech about personal responsibility.

 

[William F. Russell]

Because the rhetoric is the same. Based of the same propaganda and factual inaccuracies.

I don't know cosbys motive. What I do know is that he failed miserably at inspiring people. Check out some mlk or Malcolm x speeches if you want to hear an effective speech about personal responsibility.

Go look at Cosby's history of helping out the black community. His charities, his support of HBCUs, his promotion of other black actors/comedians, and his dedication to improving the image of black people in the media all indicate that his motive is good. Any objective person can see that his motive is black empowerment. Moreover, he has repeatedly said that his intention was for blacks to take personal responsibility and to stop crying about systematic oppression and inequality.

Once you accept that his motive was good, then consider that if Cosby (somebody who genuinely cares about the black community) and Bill O'Reilly (one of the black community's biggest critics) are saying the same thing, then what both are saying is probably true.

 

[intruder]

You said "Generaly speaking" I was responding to you using that phrase not Cosby.

And how do you know who is/isn't raising their children right.

Because ive seen the finished products and im not impressed by a lot of them.

• English is my 3rd language and i can speak it better than most of them
• Mother and daughter ganging up to beat down teachers in the middle of a school
• Some of these mofos cant even spell their own grand mother's first names but they can tell youwho Kanye fukked and who Jay-Z dissed at the club last night
• Mofos cant even keep their pants on right

The solution is simple, doggy: Black people need to start beating their fukking kids rather than trying to be their friends. That's where it starts.

Black inner city kids, while unfairly prayed on by police, do get into a lot of trouble doing dumb sh!t of their own. Mofos hear some rappers talk about robbing and think it's cool and go out and do it . And this isnt just back americans when i say blacks. Children of black immigrants and other minorities fall into that category too and do the same dumb sh!ts too. Why? Because the parents got lazy. They let rap music and television raise their fukkin kids. They take 3 jobs to pay for that Infiniti but dont know Junio got 3 guns under his mattress. Talk about Michael Brown being executed all you want (which he was) truth is had he been home doing his homework or doing chores rather than be stealing 0$0.69 cent cigorillos he would probably be alive right now.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Because ive seen the finished products and im not impressed by a lot of them.

• English is my 3rd language and i can speak it better than most of them
• Mother and daughter ganging up to beat down teachers in the middle of a school
• Some of these mofos cant even spell their own grand mother's first names but they can tell youwho Kanye fukked and who Jay-Z dissed at the club last night
• Mofos cant even keep their pants on right

The solution is simple, doggy: Black people need to start beating their fukking kids rather than trying to be their friends. That's where it starts.

Black inner city kids, while unfairly prayed on by police, do get into a lot of trouble doing dumb sh!t of their own. Mofos hear some rappers talk about robbing and think it's cool. And this isnt just back americans when i say blacks. Children of black immigrants and other minorities fall into that category too and do the same dumb sh!ts too. Because the parents got lazy. They let rap music and television raise their fukkin kids. Talk about Michael Brown being executed all you want (which he was) truth is had he been home doing his homework or doing chores rather than be stealing 0$0.69 cent cigorillos he would probably be alive right now.

Nothing but generalizations here.
Does not support your previous claims.

You are engaging in the same type of stereotyping that gets innocent black kids killed.

 

[intruder]

Nothing but generalizations here.
Does not support your previous claims.

You are engaging in the same type of stereotyping that gets innocent black kids killed.

Thats fine doggy. We dont have no problems. We done our jobs as parents. It's al on the white man;s conscience

 

[Still Benefited]

1. He said "we" several times throughout the speech.

2. Is it not true that lower class blacks are not holding their end of the deal? Again, while systematic racism is a huge factor, let's not act like many lower class people haven't been taking personal responsibility for their decisions. Out of wedlock births? Relying on government assistance? Not taking their education seriously? Immortalizing drug dealers and entertainers? Doing drugs and committing crime? Some don't even make an effort to try to improve themselves on a daily basis. At a certain point, we must look internally and wonder what we are doing to help ourselves despite systematic racism and oppression. Although not ideal, there are opportunities. That was the crux of Cosby's speech. Your critiique that he didn't acknowledge/criticize systematic racism is incorrect, immaterial, and hackneyed. The point is, we have to do for ourselves.

But keep blaming whitey and racism for so many of us having kids out of wedlock. Keep blaming whitey and racism for deciding to commit crimes (petty or significant). Keep blaming whitey and racism for deciding to do drugs instead of taking school seriously. Keep blaming whitey and racism for glorifying and imitating trap stars, rappers, and athletes instead of forging our own identity and setting our own standards for behavior.

1.THink I addressed that already

2.How about I just don't take Cosby seriously and listen to others who preach a similar message in a less divisive,arrogant,self serving way

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Go look at Cosby's history of helping out the black community. His charities, his support of HBCUs, his promotion of other black actors/comedians,

Again donating money does not indicate motive. We already crossed this bridge with the talk of Donald Sterling.

and his dedication to improving the image of black people in the media all indicate that his motive is good.

Must not be that strong seeing how he decided to promote the same stereotypes we are trying to fight against.

Any objective person can see that his motive is black empowerment. Moreover, he has repeatedly said that his intention was for blacks to take personal responsibility and to stop crying about systematic oppression and inequality.

Speaking out against oppression =/= crying.

Personal responsibility is not mutually exclusive from activism

Mr Cosby and yourself have some basic flaws in reasoning regardless of motive.

Once you accept that his motive was good, then consider that if Cosby (somebody who genuinely cares about the black community) and Bill O'Reilly (one of the black community's biggest critics) are saying the same thing, then what both are saying is probably true.

No its demonstrably false as has been pointed out to you multiple times in this thread.

 

[William F. Russell]

Again donating money does not indicate motive. We already crossed this bridge with the talk of Donald Sterling.


Must not be that strong seeing how he decided to promote the same stereotypes we are trying to fight against.

Speaking out against oppression =/= crying.

Personal responsibility is not mutually exclusive from activism

Mr Cosby and yourself have some basic flaws in reasoning regardless of motive.


No its demonstrably false as has been pointed out to you multiple times in this thread.

Ok, agree to disagree.

Obviously what Cosby was speaking against applied to you or affected you in some way.

What he said doesn't apply to me. So I'm fine.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Thats fine doggy. We dont have no problems. We done our jobs as parents. It's al on the white man;s conscience

Never said that either. Truth lies in the middle not at the extremes.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

It shouldnt be lost on anyone that the Cosby supporters, especially the Dreadhead P guy are far more ignorant and ill-informed on the issues and how socio-economic consequences produce the natural and intended results on an aggregate level. But its far easier to make pointless statements about "pull your pants up", rather than engage in serious data in an historical, cumulative and current context in order to make sense of a group's behaviors.

If you've done your research you'd know that the black out of wedlock birth rates isnt some brand new phenomena, and has existed at much higher rates in the black community than others. This is why Moniyhan wrote about "the tangle of pathology" back in the mid 60s. Our rates of out of wedlock births have always been high. If you've done your research you'd know that manufacturing industries that were the backbone of centralized urban economies disappeared due to industrial restructuring (move to the suburbs), riots during the civil rights movement, freeway construction that cult literal barriers thru the cities quarantining opportunities and access, redlining, market manipulation that denied blacks economic stimulation, etc.

Jobs literally fukkin disappeared, and in its place produced socio-economic dislocation and hopelessness creating a vacuum for illicit enterprise like drug trafficking. But why engage in any of this when you can just offer simplistic dumb ass claptrap like "pull your pants up" and blaming rap?

Why engage in an economy where one can literally support their family more efficiently by being on welfare, when there are few avenues available. If you've done your research you'd know that people have to cycle out of welfare, and for many they make a rational decision because going to work a great distance from you w/o transportation for little pay, offers an unappealing life choice. This is the real world filled with tough decisions, and many black families pushed to the margins dont have the luxury to sit around all day and post on the internet in order to make snotty judgements of others.

Why not discuss an educational environment that doesnt prepare children for a globalized, technological high skills world they must compete in, rather than trying to scapegoat this racist idea of "blacks not valuing education". Do we as a society value the education of black children? It sure doesnt seem so.

Why not engage in the fact that studies show that the average black child grows up with the same psychology as someone with PTSD, because of the conditions that are invited upon them. Bill Cosby said himself when discussing the tortured black psychology in "Up From Slavery" when he asked how we can expect a young child to realize their potential in the world, when they have to deal with a slave race psychology. Im sure he forgot about a lot of that sht when he became more obsessed with raping white women.

I can write a novel, but those who seek anti-black narratives and explanations will accept nothing less than that which they pursue. Their anti black passions inspire their lack of reason.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

What? If a person at 20% and anther is at 75% completion of a race the person at 20% will never catch the person at 75% if the coach say follow the exact pace of the runner in front of you.

Without doing extra you'll never catch up( they went extra in the 60s and 70s amd all that momentum has been squandered and now the white media is using a speech by a black man to a black audience about parenting is being teamed up against by other blacks to silence him and destroy his name, fukk yall) White folks dont give a fukk about you what do yall not get?

Now yall mad that someome expects more out of you than the minimum/easy way.

To add to that the 75% is still fighting to keep the lead with extra gatorade while you got just water.

Boy yall sure love and care about how white think about yall.
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To pursue this race metaphor, it would be like if you showed up for a track meet for your son, and it was determined that the other kids would be able to start the race with a considerable head start than your son. When your son loses, the coach and others berate him for not being better, taking the easy way, etc, etc.....you'd think you'd have entered the twilight zone. Thats the way I feel when I read your guys' commentary. How are the very real factors that design outcomes for black people not incorporated to your analysis. Oh....because its intellectually lazy and easier to just offer rhetoric like "pull your pants up", rather than engaging in serious economic research.

Mechanisms from the dominant society were DESIGNED to interfere with mobility of black people. Dysfunctional outcomes are literally going as expected. This isnt specific to the black community. World wide in many euro countries, displaced immigrants and their descendants in foreign hostile countries have much higher rates of disfunction than natives. One only needs to look at the generational poverty and drug rates of the appalachian mountains here in the states to understand how the human condition can direct outcomes. Have kids grow up where they have access to the best available, while other groups are surrounded by dysfunction and the results follow.

This isnt making any sort of judgements on the aggregated outcomes which you guys focus on only, but the fact that you remove the obvious root cause, and socio-economic stimuli or lack thereof in the communities you judge lets us all know where your head is at.

 

[William F. Russell]

All I see in this thread are posters who enable counterproductive and deplorable behavior by pointing to systematic racism as justification for said behavior. The failure for certain people to look within themselves and take responsibility for their actions is simultaneously astounding and depressing.

 

[Yup]

So now blacks need to be handled with kiddy gloves...with all that we have endured but a tone will set us off. Y'all are reaching

 

[marcuz]

What he said doesn't apply to me. So I'm fine.

i've heard this exact line from c00ns that allow their cac friends to say ****** around them