FiveThirtyEight: Once And For All: Michael Jordan Was WAY Better Than Kobe Bryant

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

Kobe for denying Malone a ring. The 2004 Lakers were probably the greatest team Kobe eliminated in his career.

I know we clown his defense fierce, but his ball denial against Shaq that series was truly astonishing to watch. To refuse to pass him the ball no matter how frequently it was going in the basket. 10-27 in game 1 while Shaq went 13-16 or something like that. Aside from bean the rest of the lakers took 46 total shots.

 

[Draje]

Kobe's physical and defensive prime was in 2002 (Also his best playoff performance playing next to Shaq as a great 2nd option) but his offensive prime was 2005-07.

Dude could do everything on the court except stop Steve Nash from waxing that ass

 

[Sccit]

Ultimately I'm trying to figure out how to piece together your hypothetical that Kobe would have ended up with at least 8 rings if he had Pippen during his prime.

So 8 years with the MDE yielded only 3 rings. Then you give him Pippen for the next 6 years after that and you claim he's going to win in 5 of those 6 years? Doesn't add up.

Face it, Kobe has 5 rings because he already had the most help of any star player in this era by a large margin. 8 years with an MVP caliber Shaq, 3 off years, then 4 years with a front line that was probably the best in the league during that time, then he got Dwight and Nash.

BRO ARE U BEIN SERIOUS WIT THIS BS AGAIN? ONCE AGAIN, KOBE SPENT HALF HIS PRIME PLAYIN ON REBUILDING TEAMS .. U GIVE HIM PIPPEN FROM 04-13, FOR ARGUMENT SAKE, AND THATS AT LEAST 6....PROLLY MORE. THE GUY WON BACK TO BACK WITH PAU GASOL BEIN THE SECOND BEST PLAYER ON HIS TEAM. ITS A GIVEN BRODIE.

LOL @ BRINGIN UP DWIGHT N NASH LIKE THEY WERENT INJURED AND SHELLS OF THEMSELVES AT THAT POINT. THE DESPERATION REACHES JUS KEEP GETTIN LONGER N LONGER WIT U MAYN.

 

[Bilz]

BRO ARE U BEIN SERIOUS WIT THIS BS AGAIN? ONCE AGAIN, KOBE SPENT HALF HIS PRIME PLAYIN ON REBUILDING TEAMS .. U GIVE HIM PIPPEN FROM 04-13, FOR ARGUMENT SAKE, AND THATS AT LEAST 6....PROLLY MORE. THE GUY WON BACK TO BACK WITH PAU GASOL BEIN THE SECOND BEST PLAYER ON HIS TEAM. ITS A GIVEN BRODIE.

LOL @ BRINGIN UP DWIGHT N NASH LIKE THEY WERENT INJURED AND SHELLS WERE AT THAT POINT. THE DESPERATION REACHES JUS KEEP GETTIN LONGER N LONGER WIT U MAYN.

So Kobe needed 8 years of Shaq and 10 years of Pippen? This is a healthy welfare program you have Kobe on in your fantasy world.

 

[Saiyajin]

Water is wet and the sun is hot

I can't believe people argue other wise. Jordan is on a completely different planet.

We really needed fivethirtyeight to tell us this?

10 pages with no sign of letting up

 

[Sccit]

So Kobe needed 8 years of Shaq and 10 years of Pippen? This is a healthy welfare program you have Kobe on in your fantasy world.

I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SHAQ

 

[Bilz]

I DIDNT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT SHAQ

OK got it, he doesn't even need Shaq. Just give him a 6 year prime with Scottie and he wins as many as 6 right there, then he gets two more outside his prime with some Smush Parkers for a total of 8.


My god you are stupid.

 

[Sccit]

OK got it, he doesn't even need Shaq. Just give him a 6 year prime with Scottie and he wins as many as 6 right there, then he gets two more outside his prime with some Smush Parkers for a total of 8.


My god you are stupid.

EVERYTIME UR REACH GETS SHOT DOWN, U HOP ONTO SOMETHIN ELSE LOLSMH

AGAIN .. HE WON BACK TO BACK PLAYING WITH PAU GASOL, AT A TIME WHICH U CLAIM WAS WHEN HE WAS OUT HIS PRIME ... SO U DONT THINK IF HE HAD PIPPEN IN HIS PRIME, HE WOULD BE WINNIN RINGS AT A GREATER RATE THAN HE DID WIT PAU GASOL WHEN HE WAS 30+??


DONT LET YOUR HATRED OF THE MAN MAKE RETARDED ASSESSMENTS

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

EVERYTIME UR REACH GETS SHOT DOWN, U HOP ONTO SOMETHIN ELSE LOLSMH

AGAIN .. HE WON BACK TO BACK PLAYING WITH PAU GASOL, AT A TIME WHICH U CLAIM WAS WHEN HE WAS OUT HIS PRIME ... SO U DONT THINK IF HE HAD PIPPEN IN HIS PRIME, HE WOULD BE WINNIN RINGS AT A GREATER RATE THAN HE DID WIT PAU GASOL WHEN HE WAS 30+??


DONT LET YOUR HATRED OF THE MAN MAKE RETARDED ASSESSMENTS

You mean assessments like you claiming that Scottie and Rodman were better than anyone Kobe played with during his prime or that Kobe was better than Mike?

 

[Sccit]

You mean assessments like you claiming that Scottie and Rodman were better than anyone Kobe played with during his prime or that Kobe was better than Mike?

LOL SO WHO THAT KOBE PLAYED WIT IN HIS PRIME WAS BETTER THAN SCOTTIE OR RODMAN?

KOBE WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME WHEN HE PLAYED WITH SHAQ, SO THINK HARD BEFORE U ANSWER.

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

LOL SO WHO THAT KOBE PLAYED WITG IN HIS PRIME WAS BETTER THAN SCOTTIE OR RODMAN?

KOBE WAS NOT IN HIS PRIME WHEN HE PLAYED WITH SHAQ, SO THINK HARD BEFORE U ANSWER.

So you don't think a player is in his prime at 24-26? You think Rodman had any value at all on the offensive end of the floor? By your 6th season if you're healthy, you've reach the first half of your prime. That means during some of his prime he was on the same team as Shaq.

 

[superunknown23]

Kobe stans ridiculous delusions and spins are out of this world

 

[Sccit]

So you don't think a player is in his prime at 24-26? You think Rodman had any value at all on the offensive end of the floor? By your 6th season if you're healthy, you've reach the first half of your prime. That means during some of his prime he was on the same team as Shaq.

PRIME IS APROX 26-31... KOBE IN 2006 WAS BETTER THAN HE EVER WAS WIT SHAQ

 

[Bilz]

EVERYTIME UR REACH GETS SHOT DOWN, U HOP ONTO SOMETHIN ELSE LOLSMH

AGAIN .. HE WON BACK TO BACK PLAYING WITH PAU GASOL, AT A TIME WHICH U CLAIM WAS WHEN HE WAS OUT HIS PRIME ... SO U DONT THINK IF HE HAD PIPPEN IN HIS PRIME, HE WOULD BE WINNIN RINGS AT A GREATER RATE THAN HE DID WIT PAU GASOL WHEN HE WAS 30+??


DONT LET YOUR HATRED OF THE MAN MAKE RETARDED ASSESSMENTS

But under your definition, he was in his prime when he won with Gasol. So only 4 of the hypothetical seasons you are adding in Pippen have a chance to add to Kobe's ring count.

Beyond that, you're willing to throw away his 8 years as a sidekick and the 3 rings that came with that.

So maybe in this ridiculous hypothetical, you need to add in another guy for him to ride the coattails of in his non prime years. Even having him win out with Pippen (extremely generous prediction) you're still falling short.

 

[Sccit]

But under your definition, he was in his prime when he won with Gasol. So only 4 of the hypothetical seasons you are adding in Pippen have a chance to add to Kobe's ring count.

Beyond that, you're willing to throw away his 8 years as a sidekick and the 3 rings that came with that.

So maybe in this ridiculous hypothetical, you need to add in another guy for him to ride the coattails of in his non prime years. Even having him win out with Pippen (extremely generous prediction) you're still falling short.

AGAIN .. ILL KEEP IT SIMPLE FOR U. KOBE WIT A PIPPEN BY HIS SIDE FROM 04-13 WINS AT LEAST 6 .. NOTHIN MORE NOTHIN LESS. QUIT DANCIN AROUND THIS WIT DESPERATION POSTS BRUH.