Flawed analysis, failed oversight: How Boeing, FAA certified suspect 737 MAX flight control system

[jj23]

Basically it looks like the computer program got stuck in an infinite loop after a sensor malfunction.

Flawed analysis, failed oversight: How Boeing, FAA certified the suspect 737 MAX flight control system

 

[DEAD7]

When time was too short for FAA technical staff to complete a review, sometimes managers either signed off on the documents themselves or delegated their review back to Boeing.

“The FAA managers, not the agency technical experts, have final authority on delegation,” the engineer said.

 

[jj23]

When time was too short for FAA technical staff to complete a review, sometimes managers either signed off on the documents themselves or delegated their review back to Boeing.

“The FAA managers, not the agency technical experts, have final authority on delegation,” the engineer said.

Someone needs to go to jail for negligent homicide.

 

[mastermind]

We need more regulations

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

Someone needs to go to jail for negligent homicide.

Many people

 

[ColdSlither]

And this is why the conservative pipe dream of less government, and let the companies regulate themselves, is a bad idea. That’s not saying that government is any better. Especially in a case like this where Boeing has such a cozy relationship with the government. It took a number of countries to ground the plane, before the US government decided to follow suit. Even though this fatal flaw was known.

 

[DEAD7]

We need more regulations

More regulation wont solve anything when the people in charge don't give a fukk.





What we need is accountability, and that's much harder to get from government.

 

[DEAD7]

And this is why the conservative pipe dream of less government, and let the companies regulate themselves, is a bad idea. That’s not saying that government is any better. Especially in a case like this where Boeing has such a cozy relationship with the government. It took a number of countries to ground the plane, before the US government decided to follow suit. Even though this fatal flaw was known.

Again, Boeing would be fully liable if self regulated... I doubt any real harm comes to their fat cats under state regulators.
In fact I doubt anyone goes to jail.

 

[mastermind]

More regulation wont solve anything when the people in charge don't give a fukk.





What we need is accountability, and that's much harder to get from government.

For sure... lets depend on the corporations to regulate themselves like this instance.

 

[DEAD7]

For sure... lets depend on the corporations to regulate themselves like this instance.

Accountability is lost on you and other lefties isn’t it...
Just more write more regulation and the problems solved...

 

[mastermind]

Accountability is lost on you and other lefties isn’t it...
Just more write more regulation and the problems solved...

Regulations lead to accountability

 

[Pressure]

Accountability is lost on you and other lefties isn’t it...
Just more write more regulation and the problems solved...

Like how the airlines took charge and decided to ground these planes?


In the face of adversity Boeing called Trump to lobby for keeping them in the sky.

 

[jj23]

More regulation wont solve anything when the people in charge don't give a fukk.





What we need is accountability, and that's much harder to get from government.

Regulations lead to accountability

What we are missing here is that regulations were in place, but they were circumvented or not followed in the interest of making sure Boeing remained competitive with Airbus.

@DEAD7 may be right that more regulations may not fix the issue but neither will less.

The question becomes, what are the safeguards to protect human beings in a capitalist society where deliverables are more important than safety? Do we need an independent committee outside of the FAA to certify these tests?

How come the regulations worked before but failed here? Why would you allow a manufacturer to self certify their plane?

 

[mastermind]

What we are missing here is that regulations were in place, but they were circumvented or not followed in the interest of making sure Boeing remained competitive with Airbus.

@DEAD7 may be right that more regulations may not fix the issue but neither will less.

The question becomes, what are the safeguards to protect human beings in a capitalist society where deliverables are more important than safety? Do we need an independent committee outside of the FAA to certify these tests?

How come the regulations worked before but failed here? Why would you allow a manufacturer to self certify their plane?

“The roots of this crisis can be found in a major change that the FAA instituted in its regulatory responsibility in 2005. Rather than naming and supervising its own ‘designated airworthiness representatives,’ the agency decided to allow Boeing and other manufacturers who qualified under the revised procedures to select their own employees to certify the safety of their aircraft. In justifying this change, the agency said at the time that it would save the aviation industry about $25 billion from 2006 to 2015. Therefore, the manufacturer is providing safety oversight of itself. This is a worrying move toward industry self-certification.”

Opinion | The 737 Max Is Grounded, No Thanks to the F.A.A.

Airlines have been given too much power in determining safety. We need more regulation because airlines and airplane companies think about the money before safety.

 

[DEAD7]

Like how the airlines took charge and decided to ground these planes?


In the face of adversity Boeing called Trump to lobby for keeping them in the sky.

The Market grounded the planes for passenger safety, Boeing ran to government for help keeping them in the air...