Flying Lotus is going off on twitter right now about producers' rights, fires shot at Future

[The God Poster]

and its crazy cuz i feel like one of the most uttered ideas in rap is

'this song is cool, the rapper is whatever, but the production is crazy'

Would it generate the same money without the vocals?

The nikka that come up with the hook /melody is the most needed nowadays .

 

[Unknown Poster]

That's not a legit argument though. That's like saying because you have a job that any work you do on the side you shouldn't expect payment for the work.

Yes he has other side hustles but he isn't asking for the money up front because hes broke. He's saying to ask for it upfront because they waste peoples time.

Rappers in the industry waste A LOT of peoples time because they think they are important, want to be difficult, think they are doing people favors just by standing near em, etc.

exactly...whos enfused to produce for some up and coming rappers mixtape that is going to be downloaded on datoiff for free and no money will come from it?

i dont do shyt for free as a producer anymore cause i got to eat pay rent pay bills etc. if I relied solely on producing for other artists for income thats not a good thing. if i believe in your talent i will work with you...for sure. but thats only if I believe in ya.

this is one of the reasons the avenues for money in hip hop is so small
edm festivals have millions of dollars put into them
5 stages each
100 acts over a weekend
people come from all over the world to them
meanwhile there are less than 10 hip hop headliners that can tour arenas or even sell them out.

we got to go where the money is...why do you think edm is blowing up more and hip hop is stagnating? theres no growth its not worth getting into as a lucrative career.

 

[Poitier]

Producers did it to themselves.Back in the late 90's - early 2000's producers were charging ridiculous amounts for beats, Like 40 - 100K for a beat and then albums stopped selling they had their check. Then enter the digital age and dudes are making beats with a laptop and a software pack and were happy to get a grand or two for them. Times that number by 100,000 people and you had that many people wanting to get put on to the point that a artist can tell them come through jack their best beats for the low. Same reasons why labels got artist signing their life away for pennies on the dollar.

I don't know metros and futures money deal so I wouldn't comment on that but the way Atlanta is moving right now,Metro could've gave a lot of those beats to just about anyone from the A and still had hits

Metro does give his beats to no names and they are no names because they don't sound good over them. Pollari is a prime example.

 

[The God Poster]

Producers did it to themselves.Back in the late 90's - early 2000's producers were charging ridiculous amounts for beats, Like 40 - 100K for a beat and then albums stopped selling they had their check. Then enter the digital age and dudes are making beats with a laptop and a software pack and were happy to get a grand or two for them. Times that number by 100,000 people and you had that many people wanting to get put on to the point that a artist can tell them come through jack their best beats for the low. Same reasons why labels got artist signing their life away for pennies on the dollar.

I don't know metros and futures money deal so I wouldn't comment on that but the way Atlanta is moving right now,Metro could've gave a lot of those beats to just about anyone from the A and still had hits

Nah future was an established artist. That shyt goes a long way

 

[45123]

The opposite goes for rappers on the come up though. Amateur producers nowadays charging $50 per beat like its nothing when most local and no-name rappers are really not making money like that off their raps/music

 

[blizzard man]

Would it generate the same money without the vocals?

The nikka that come up with the hook /melody is the most needed nowadays .

if the producer knew how to pimp their shyt it could generate them money without needing a hypebeast ass rapper

i get what you mean tho, but thats doesnt negate what flylo is saying, and doesnt mean its cool for bootsy ass rapperrs to try to jerk producers as if they are doing the producers favors.

granted, this is all vitriol thats aimed at a certain demographic of the rap/music community and not every rapper or every producer

but plenty of beatmakers out here living fine without rappers breh

 

[Colin X]

I'm pretty sure Metro eatin good outchea


That's the only producer I give a fukk about

 

[LevelUp]

why you so mad breh?

 

[Capitol]

These producers have been carrying projects for a good minute and unless you look it up or they have a signature drop the average person doesn't even know who they are. These rappers can't even fukking rap but they get laced with some heat and it's a top 10 hit. The rapper gets signed and the producer has to deal with biters selling knock off beats for the low. Next thing you know people already moved on and you get left with nothing

 

[Drip Bayless]

Metro does give his beats to no names and they are no names because they don't sound good over them. Pollari is a prime example.

One of the only nikkas who knows what he's talking about on the booth

 

[Unknown Poster]

Breh is projecting because he's insecure

His endz and business acumen is lacking so now he's going the emotions route...

i guarantee you flying lotus aint hurting for cash.

hes been very wuccessful as a solo producer and has released albums on warp and has songs featured on adult swim. he does the glastonbury's, the coachellas, the edm festivals in europe...rappers just dont have that type of reach as people in his level of music do.

 

[Master Teacher]

The plight of the modern day hip hip producer is that sooo many people have access to equipment/software these days and a lot of people are really good. Simple supply and demand. The over saturation of the market will decrease product worth. That's why you have people giving away beats just to get on. For producers who are on, they are having to get money on the back end more than they were back in the day.

Lies, it's hard to find people who make high quality beats, you might find a few good ones on internet sites, but most of it's meh.

Producers fukked the came up by being thirsty, and no being business minded.

They should never sell their music but only give an artist the license to use it so they get paid of it forever, producers who are smart do this, and they get paid royalties whenever the song they produced is performed.

Labels use to give artist huge budgets and records were selling, so they had money to pay somebody 50k for a beat, those days are over, because the labels who literally serve no purpose aren't given artist money anymore and are just taking any money they can from the artist because they don't rely on record sells anymore.

Also a lot of these cats aren't producers, they just make beats, and that's a huge difference.

A producer can create an artist and craft songs, if Eminem would've signed to ruckus records into with Dre he would've never been has big or able to make the type of records he needed.

 

[Standing on business]

This dude acting like future aint made classic songs with south side and zaytoven



He actin Like future aint made hits with mike will made it




He acting like future don't make dope songs with nard & b





The rappers creativity with hooks and choruses are just as important if not more, give a stale rapper a hot beat then you and your beat will become nothing

Future could probably make a producer hot off a beat they made at a lunch table

 

[L&HH]

Add to the fact that its hard to have a signature sound because it can be ripped off easily these Days.

Look at all the Money Mustard missed out on because of that bootleg Loyal and Fancy beat

Mustard might be a bad example for this. He over saturated himself by literally using the same sounds over and over. But on the flip side he made a lot of money so good for him. He switching it up and still here. Needed Me a top 10 record right now

 

[L&HH]

The opposite goes for rappers on the come up though. Amateur producers nowadays charging $50 per beat like its nothing when most local and no-name rappers are really not making money like that off their raps/music

You gotta invest in yourself. Get a part time job or something . Bryson Tiller was working for Papa Johns before he got his RcA deal.