"Folks want to be Malcolm X while having the economic policies of Ronald Reagan"

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playing devil's advocate, but wasn't Malcolm X kinda fiscally conservative?

No...

See this is the issue with Malcolm X

Malcolm X with the NOI was speaking the opinions and policies of the NOI...he wasn't talking about what he believed.

Malcolm X with the NOI was a puppet...he even tells you that he was speaking what the NOI believed not what he himself thought....

One of the major reasons why Malcolm X broke away with the NOI was because the NOI wasn't doing anything. Like they had this weird non-intervention policy...all they really did is take money from Black folks and critique what folks like MLK, Bayer Rustin and James Baldwin was doing. The NOI was basically waiting around for the USA Gov't to give them their own country.

Malcolm X was still figuring things out on his own before he died and he was open to socialism and critical of capitalism...

In the end...he was a revolutionary instead a conservative reactionary and you can't be a revolutionary and adhere to capitalism...:yeshrug:
 

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No...

See this is the issue with Malcolm X

Malcolm X with the NOI was speaking the opinions and policies of the NOI...he wasn't talking about what he believed.

Malcolm X with the NOI was a puppet...he even tells you that he was speaking what the NOI believed not what he himself thought....

One of the major reasons why Malcolm X broke away with the NOI was because the NOI wasn't doing anything. Like they had this weird non-intervention policy...all they really dd is take money from Black folks and critique what folks like MLK, Bayer Rustin and James Baldwin was doing. The NOI was basically waiting around for the USA Gov't to give them their own country.

Malcolm X was still figuring things out before he died and he was open to socialism and critical of capitalism...

In the end...he was a revolutionary instead a conservative reactionary and you can't be a revolutionary and adhere to capitalism...:yeshrug:
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i'm gonna be reading some more tonight.
 

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As if socialism is gonna work :mjlol:read and get influenced by karl marx brehs.

Didn't usa have that head right socialism program but when blacks were freed that shyt stopped. Usa was a socialist country but all that changed as soon as blacks pushed to get rights and benefits from the system. Government hit back 'you ******s are free now, go work for your shyt, why you asking for handouts, us whites didn't get handout'.

Doesn't matter what economic system there is as long as whites are in power blacks will not benefit from it.
 

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As if socialism is gonna work :mjlol:read and get influenced by karl marx brehs.

Didn't usa have that head right socialism program but when blacks were freed that shyt stopped. Usa was a socialist country but all that changed as soon as blacks pushed to get rights and benefits from the system. Government hit back 'you ******s are free now, go work for your shyt, why you asking for handouts, us whites didn't get handout'.

Doesn't matter what economic system there is as long as whites are in power blacks will not benefit from it.

laugh at Thomas Sankara, Maurice Bishop, Samora Machel and countless other revolutionaries who freed millions via Marxism and their own anti-colonial nationalism

and America only had a strong socialist/labor political movement that fought for our basic rights such as the eight hour work day as oppose to 16, two day weekends etc. which wasn't going to stop there but thanks to McCarthyism, the red scare, Northern Democrats and racism they halted and shut down any furthering momentum they had

Eight-hour day - Wikipedia

Eight-hour day - Wikipedia

Also, would you laugh at the Black Panthers for being Maoists?
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No...

See this is the issue with Malcolm X

Malcolm X with the NOI was speaking the opinions and policies of the NOI...he wasn't talking about what he believed.

Malcolm X with the NOI was a puppet...he even tells you that he was speaking what the NOI believed not what he himself thought....

One of the major reasons why Malcolm X broke away with the NOI was because the NOI wasn't doing anything. Like they had this weird non-intervention policy...all they really did is take money from Black folks and critique what folks like MLK, Bayer Rustin and James Baldwin was doing. The NOI was basically waiting around for the USA Gov't to give them their own country.

Malcolm X was still figuring things out on his own before he died and he was open to socialism and critical of capitalism...

In the end...he was a revolutionary instead a conservative reactionary and you can't be a revolutionary and adhere to capitalism...:yeshrug:
correction., malcom did agree with the position and platform of the noi, they just differed in approaching the problem
 

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correction., malcom did agree with the position and platform of the noi, they just differed in approaching the problem

No he did not agree with the NOI in the end...

Malcolm X in the end...wanted to work with the Black liberals...
Malcolm X in the end...was willing to work with White people...
Malcolm X in the end....was willing to wage a revolution
Malcolm X in the end...became a real Muslim...
Malcolm X in the end...was open to socialism
Malcolm X in the end...did not believe in a Black state in the USA


Malcolm X in the end was against the NOI in every way because he realized their way was wrong...

The whole point is...

He felt indebted to the NOI and was totally consumed by it...he no thoughts of his own....when you listen to Malcolm X speeches when he was with NOI...you are not listening to the thoughts and opinions of Malcolm X...you are listening to the thoughts and opinions of the NOI.

When he traveled the world and saw other people and met real muslims and all these revolutionaries...he realized the NOI was wrong about a lot of shyt and he was ignorant about a lot of shyt.
 

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As if socialism is gonna work :mjlol:read and get influenced by karl marx brehs.

Didn't usa have that head right socialism program but when blacks were freed that shyt stopped. Usa was a socialist country but all that changed as soon as blacks pushed to get rights and benefits from the system. Government hit back 'you ******s are free now, go work for your shyt, why you asking for handouts, us whites didn't get handout'.

Doesn't matter what economic system there is as long as whites are in power blacks will not benefit from it.
I don't think anyone is advocating for pure socialism but we use a hybrid system of it now imo.
 

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playing devil's advocate, but wasn't Malcolm X kinda fiscally conservative?
Reagan wasn't really that fiscally conservative as he is painted he raises taxes a lot actually.
 
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the NOI seemed to basically stress a fiscally Conservative cooperative system (like much of the Islamic world) so I think you could argue this

Here is what Malcolm X said about capitalism...his own thoughts

"You show me a capitalist, and I'll show you a bloodsucker. "

"It is impossible for capitalism to survive, primarily because the system of capitalism needs some blood to suck. Capitalism used to be like an eagle, but now it's more like a vulture. It used to be strong enough to go and suck anybody's blood whether they were strong or not. But now it has become more cowardly, like the vulture, and it can only suck the blood of the helpless. As the nations of the world free themselves, the capitalism has less victims, less to suck, and it becomes weaker and weaker. It's only a matter of time in my opinion before it will collapse completely."
 

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I don't think anyone is advocating for pure socialism but we use a hybrid system of it now imo.

I mean, socialism is a stage after capitalism...

Right now we have a capitalistic market-based economy with the bare minimum in social safety nets...in the USA...

Every other 1st world nation got universal healthcare, some type of free or reduced public education system...guarranteed vacations...all types of shyt that we don't got here in the USA

And they are more on the social democratic side of the game...
 

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I mean, socialism is a stage after capitalism...

Right now we have a capitalistic market-based economy with the bare minimum in social safety nets...in the USA...

Every other 1st world nation got universal healthcare, some type of free or reduced public education system...guarranteed vacations...all types of shyt that we don't got here in the USA

And they are more on the social democratic side of the game...
True I would like us to catch up to the other western nations and step our health care and education up bUT we do use some socialist polices despite what some people think.
 
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