Forbes: Falling Illegal Immigration Numbers Confirm No Border Crisis

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So you missed these lines from the post?

"It is difficult to determine the exact cost or contribution of unauthorized immigrants because they are harder to survey, but the study suggests they likely have a more positive effect than their legal counterparts because they are, on average, younger and do not qualify for public benefits."

"Undocumented immigrants pay an estimated $11.6 billion a year in taxes, according to the Institute on Taxation & Economic Policy. Immigrants are also less likely to take public benefits than the native-born population for two reasons. First, to receive most public benefits under the social safety net, immigrants must be lawful permanent residents for at least five years. There are approximately 9 million immigrants that fit that definition in the U.S. Of those, many would not qualify for welfare or other programs because their incomes are too high."


Not to mention that nearly every statement in the post about "immigrants" in general applied just as much or more so to illegal immigrants. The post specifically address that in those two sections, but you ignored that and didn't even make an argument for why your distinction invalidated those specific points.
If me or anyone else posted a study that says they couldn’t determine an outcome yet still made a conclusion y’all would kill it instantly.

And you are not looking at the net outcome of the illegal immigrants.

Sure they very well may pay more taxes in the end. But the fact that they are causing a suppression in wages and working conditions make it a net negative for all workers.
 

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I'm right on illegal immigrants BECAUSE I SAY SO!!! :damn:

You're complaining that the evidence that was provided to you isn't conclusive...then turn around to make a baseless assertion with NO EVIDENCE.

You have nothing to back up your argument that "they are causing a suppression in wages and working conditions mak[ing] it a net negative for all workers."

Not one link, not one source. And you expect us to just trust that you're telling the truth. :bpufedup:

F*ck outta here, troll. :cambybp:
 

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You're complaining that the evidence that was provided to you isn't conclusive...then turn around to make a baseless assertion with NO EVIDENCE.

You have nothing to back up your argument that "they are causing a suppression in wages and working conditions mak[ing] it a net negative for all workers."

Not one link, not one source. And you expect us to just trust that you're telling the truth. :bpufedup:

F*ck outta here, troll. :cambybp:
Will a report from the industrial and labour relations school at Cornell university suffice?

https://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1025&context=briggstestimonies

This not only applies to all workers but especially black workers.

I’ll await your retort.....
 

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How am I not surprised that this thread has been ignored now that I brought proof?
 

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How am I not surprised that this thread has been ignored now that I brought proof?

facts dont matter and the impact on black people doesnt matter, this weird foaming at the mouth in the defense of illegal immigration is based around 2 things 1) this retarded theory that immigration will lead to a permanent democratic majority 2) sexual access, a lot of these posters are just thirsting after latin p*ssy and want to be accepted by non black people
 

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facts dont matter and the impact on black people doesnt matter, this weird foaming at the mouth in the defense of illegal immigration is based around 2 things 1) this retarded theory that immigration will lead to a permanent democratic majority 2) sexual access, a lot of these posters are just thirsting after latin p*ssy and want to be accepted by non black people
no doubt, these dudes are really starting to show their true colors.
 

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Post a source.
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Half of Texas' Construction Workers Are Undocumented Immigrants - D Magazine


www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0604230405apr23-story.html

Los Angeles Times - Page unavailable in your region

https://www.theroot.com/how-illegal-immigration-hurts-black-america-1790878554
 

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You don't deserve this response, but let me say a few things, for everyone else's edification.

1. You do realize that both illegal and undocumented immigrants do leave, right? And they do so in large numbers every year?

Nap's disingenuous comparison of illegal immigrants to standing water after a flood aside:



I think it's safe to say that your personal ignorance is showing, if you didn't realize that three times "a small sized cities population worth of illegal immigrants" leave the undocumented population each year.

2. You live in Canada. What's your stake in this? :bppatrice:
Again. You seem to not understand rates of change, or how NET numbers or GROSS numbers works.
 

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The only reason one group "supports" illegal immigration is because the other group hates it. So one side is racist and the other disingenuous, both using illegals as targets in a pissing contest.

It's time to deport the ones we have here, arrest individual businessmen who hire them and give them a stiff prison sentence and fine companies/corporations that hire them. If there are too many violations the government can seize the business for themselves. Now you've stopped the flood of people coming over looking for work by cutting off the head of the snake causing the problem, you're deporting millions of illegals and draining your flooded basement and you can actually focus on the true humanitarian crisis of people fleeing their homeland and seeking asylum for violence, not just because some CAC will pay them .50 on the dollar to do menial tasks/hard labor.
 

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What are your feelings about the crises in Honduras, Venezuela, and other Central/South American countries (some of which were brought about by US foreign policy)? Do you agree with Trump's "zero-tolerance" policy?

Because if we're talking about undocumented immigrants in today's terms, we need to respond to these crises in a moral, intelligent manner.

There's a good bit of scaremongering going on regarding immigration. They're not all Mexicans coming to steal jobs and rape white women.
Everyone has a story. But there’s a limit. It’s that simple.
 

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I roasted you out of your own thread, provide statistics that illegal immigrants are taking jobs from Americans.

You even tried to say the reason unemployment is low is because illegal immigration is low when I posted a graph showing that immigration and unemployment has no correlation over the last 50 years.

Please tell us what jobs nikkas with no skills or English capabilities are taking from Americans?
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From your link

“Immigrants are not the cause of this, they are the effect,” said Ruth Milkman, a sociologist who has studied the history of construction in Southern California. “The sequence of events is that the de-unionization and the accompanying deterioration of the jobs come first, before immigrants.”


So as I've been saying it's the capitalist system where the goal of a capitalist is produce the largest amount of product doe the cheapest amount of price.

Capitalism needs a large poorly paid labor force to sustain itself. The rich will never in a mill ip on years seal that border.


You like the other fool dont even read your own sources. Just google how immigrants hurt or America or some shyt didnt you?
 
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