Former Obama and Clinton Economic Advisers Tell Bernie To Cut The Bullshyt

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@88m3 will you "adjust" your prices to adequately address Sanders's tax plan, or will you eat the increased expense? You think your crew will raise fees, @Domingo Halliburton?
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A Republican will become President before Sanders does. Taxes and expenses are nearly always passed on to the consumer when possible.
 

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America could afford socialism, but only if you were willing to give up your Empire.

Think about it Americans. Empire or a chicken in every pot!


America is waaay past the point where that shyt is possible. :skip:

Americans made too many enemies.. Americans are gonna have to ride this empire shyt to it's inevitable doom conclusion.
 

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An Open Letter from Past CEA Chairs to Senator Sanders and Professor Gerald Friedman

Yeah pretty much none of this guys economic claims or payment plans for his agenda actually add up and finally some respected economists have had enough.
You have to understand economics is extremely political. The profession has been in turmoil for a while. So some economists will say the numbers don't add up while some will say they do. You also have to understand that most of the economists that have worked for Obama, Clintion, Bush, and many other presidents do private consulting for many Wall St Firms and other private entities, which obviously influences the types of conclusions they reach.
 

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America is waaay past the point where that shyt is possible. :skip:

Americans made too many enemies.. Americans are gonna have to ride this empire shyt to it's inevitable doom conclusion.

Pretty much. The amount of money we spend on defense spending is mind blowing. The funny thing is the world is heading to a multi polar world(Russia's involvement in Ukraine and intervention Syria) meanwhile we are spending trillions on defense like its the 90s-early 2000s acting like we are the only superpower around. As a black man ill be :pachaha:when the Empire falls.
 

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You make some good pints but IMO Obama achieved a lot, I don't know why Hillary couldn't. She has more experience than Obama had and more friends in Washington and around the world for that matter. We would have a first man that's even more respected than the future president, it'll be Mr and Mrs. President. I want a united democratic party, Bernie is not even respected by his own party, which is a slight problem.

At the end of the day, whoever wins will most likely not affect me unless it's a republican. I'll be working in London for a few years and will most likely have a rather good situation in a business in which Bernie would be the worst for my personal interests. I'm lucky to be where I am and the opportunities I've had so I'm voting for the whole nation not my own interests and I think the Clintons have the best chance of directing the country in the right direction. I'd rather take 10 degrees in the right direction with certainty, than 20 degrees in the right direction with 75 % chance of failing completely. I'm being risk averse, if Bernie fails the republicans might have a good chance to once again fukking up everything in 2020.
you say the hil has friends? which kinds of friends? the ultra rich kind? that don't do ish for the rest of us? no thank you.

are you saying a guy like Bernie has lived in Washington for this many years and he has zero allies? STOP IT.
 

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you say the hil has friends? which kinds of friends? the ultra rich kind? that don't do ish for the rest of us? no thank you.

are you saying a guy like Bernie has lived in Washington for this many years and he has zero allies? STOP IT.
Point out that shyt in my post.
 

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Sanders has a theory of change. You seize the executive with big, bold plans and rhetoric. Then use your pulpit to browbeat legislators into action or demonstrate their ineffectiveness; either converting or replacing individuals. If this is done, then you enact your plans.

It's hard and probably unlikely, but it's a genuine theory of change. It's what he did to successful ends in Burlington. A city is hardly a country yea but it's atleast a plan. What's HRC's plan to enact her legislative agenda? Negotiating is a dead art in a party system that makes sense.

Campaigns operate as networking centers. The Goldwater campaign in 64, though a profound defeat for the GOP, brought together conservative forces that stayed together and ultimately flipped the entire political axis of this country. Sanders has run the first genuine left wing campaign since probably Jesse Jackson in 88, and looks to have more success than even Jesse. That matters, getting people on lists matters, getting people involved matters, inroads with working class voters matter.

Most importantly sanders demonstrates that left economics is a winning issue within the Democratic Party. This is important. You show issues win and people start to campaign on them. Political fads matter too, even if sanders is just that. Most deride the Tea a party as a fad. That fad won 1000+ legislative seats in 4 years and shifted the entire window right by leaps and bounds.
You are ignoring what my primary criticism is though, namely that this is some sort of revolution to fundamentally change government when it is nothing of the sort. If Bernie was serious about this revolution he keeps mentioning then it would have started a lot earlier than last spring and his announcement of running for president, it would include more down ticket elections and politicians and it would be an actual movement instead of basically a one man show.
He doesn't even have any true support in the House and Senate to push anything he is talking about along. He is running on a fairy tale revolution designed to play on the emotions of people who every presidential election cycle want to seem like they are fighting against the establishment.
 

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You are ignoring what my primary criticism is though, namely that this is some sort of revolution to fundamentally change government when it is nothing of the sort. If Bernie was serious about this revolution he keeps mentioning then it would have started a lot earlier than last spring and his announcement of running for president, it would include more down ticket elections and politicians and it would be an actual movement instead of basically a one man show.
He doesn't even have any true support in the House and Senate to push anything he is talking about along. He is running on a fairy tale revolution designed to play on the emotions of people who every presidential election cycle want to seem like they are fighting against the establishment.
He didn't start earlier because he wanted Warren to run. He only ran when she declined. He even said that. As for "political revolution," if he is able to win without big money, that alone will set a precedent and encourage a new type of politics. That and we are going to get an Obama appointment that will clearly vote to overturn Citizens United at some point.
 
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