Fox News has reclaimed the number 1 spot after Mueller summary drops

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Whether you agree or disagree with the report Maddow went tooo farrrr & she didnt report on many other important issues.
You must not watch the Rachel Maddow show in its entirety. She always covers any upcoming congressional races and any legislative battles whether it’s national or state.
 

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The report was a win for conservative mainstream media(fox)...:yeshrug: and a massive ‘L’ for Maddow and them. This isn’t surprising at all...

This. Even though the report hasn't been made public, all that matters is "no collusion". Unless there are people who think Barr is lying about Mueller reaching that judgement. :martin:

 

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This. Even though the report hasn't been made public, all that matters is "no collusion". Unless there are people who think Barr is lying about Mueller reaching that judgement. :martin:

"No collusion" has been a convenient Trump catchphrase from the beginning - it doesn't mean anything. Remember when Giuliani was trying to argue on behalf of the president that collusion wasn't even a crime. If collusion isn't even a crime, then how would "no collusion" even be defined in a legal investigation, and why would it even be part of the report?

You're just repeating Trump's talking points.

The actual reason for the special counsel was to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections, to see if there were any links or coordination between Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government, to see if Trump had attempted to obstruct justice in the previous investigation, and to look into any other matters that might arise during the investigation into those things.

Other than all the indictments that were already handed out and Mueller's determination that there was not enough proof of illegal coordination between Trump's campaign and the Russian government, we do not know what's actually in the report.

So far as the bullshyt "no collusion" lies that Trump spewed, Schiff already said it best:

 

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"No collusion" has been a convenient Trump catchphrase from the beginning - it doesn't mean anything. Remember when Giuliani was trying to argue on behalf of the president that collusion wasn't even a crime. If collusion isn't even a crime, then how would "no collusion" even be defined in a legal investigation, and why would it even be part of the report?

You're just repeating Trump's talking points.
dont you guys dikkride rod rosenstein on here? and didnt he write the summary with barr? :why:
 

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"No collusion" has been a convenient Trump catchphrase from the beginning - it doesn't mean anything. Remember when Giuliani was trying to argue on behalf of the president that collusion wasn't even a crime. If collusion isn't even a crime, then how would "no collusion" even be defined in a legal investigation, and why would it even be part of the report?
:beli:

"Collusion" is used colloquially to mean conspiracy or coordination. And you (should) know that. So when the Barr summery quotes Mueller as saying:

“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” ,

"No collusion" is entirely accurate.

To whatever degree "no collusion " is convenient for Trump as a talking point, its because there isn't any. It was a false accusation. And he didn't create it, the media did.
 

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dont you guys dikkride rod rosenstein on here? and didnt he write the summary with barr?
When has Rod Rosenstein's name even come out of my mouth? :why:

And didn't he write the summary that got Comey fired in the first place? :beli:


This whole "you guys" thing is ignorant af from your part. Once you realize that Napoleon, for example, is far closer to you ideologically than he is to me, you might become a more nuanced poster.




"Collusion" is used colloquially to mean conspiracy or coordination. And you (should) know that. So when the Barr summery quotes Mueller as saying:

“[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.” ,

"No collusion" is entirely accurate.

To whatever degree "no collusion " is convenient for Trump as a talking point, its because there isn't any. It was a false accusation. And he didn't create it, the media did.
Wait, "all that matters" is a media creation? That's not a much better line for you to follow.

We already know this much:



Obviously people associated with the Trump campaign were willing to cooperate with people associated with Putin in order to affect the election. That has been well established.

Until the report is actually released, we don't know what else there is. You are demonstrating an incredible amount of trust in overtly biased political appointees right now, I didn't think you had so much faith in government as that.
 

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When has Rod Rosenstein's name even come out of my mouth? :why:

And didn't he write the summary that got Comey fired in the first place? :beli:


This whole "you guys" thing is ignorant af from your part. Once you realize that Napoleon, for example, is far closer to you ideologically than he is to me, you might become a more nuanced poster.
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idk breh, im pretty sure ive seen posters talking about "rosenstein is a survivor :wow:" and throwing around rod rosenstein smilies :mjlol:. and you're right about napoleon, he has to hide how he really feels about illegal immigration when he posts in HL, for fear of upsetting his fanbase :laff:

but i apologize for the confusion :jaymelo: we should make an official "narrative" memo and sticky it
 

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idk breh, im pretty sure ive seen posters talking about "rosenstein is a survivor :wow:" and throwing around rod rosenstein smilies :mjlol:.
My guess is that you saw that stuff in conversations that I haven't even been a part of, but you certainly ain't seen it come out of my mouth.



and you're right about napoleon, he has to hide how he really feels about illegal immigration when he posts in HL, for fear of upsetting his fanbase :laff:
I don't think you got it yet, anyone who even likes Napoleon is already way closer to you ideologically than they are to me. I put Napoleon on ignore at least 3 years ago cause our fights were so pointless.
 

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so expect more mass shootings?


What am I supposed to take away from this?
Maybe slightly consider that while there were nefarious actions on part of Trump, the desire to drive this story was not purely based on "covering the truth" but also every "breaking news!" aspect and nonstop coverage was more driven by simply advertising dollars more than a geniune belief this dude is going to be walked out in cuffs. Also consider that there is a reason this story while had a lot of parts and avenues to explore there is no reasonable explanation besides advertising dollars why a lot of times it was on CNN 24/7. Seems obvious but maybe not appreciated enough. Once the story was deflated things went back to their "natural order" unfortunately.

Secondly, feel free to discuss this anyway you want outside of that.

P.S. You' been particularly whiny lately.
 
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Maybe slightly consider that while there is nefarious actions on part of Trump, the desire to drive this story was not purely based on "covering the truth" but also every "breaking news!" aspect and nonstop coverage was more driven by simply advertising dollars more than a geniune belief this dude is going to be walked out in cuffs. It seems obvious but maybe not appreciated enough. Once the story was deflated things went back to their "natural order" unfortunately.

Secondly, feel free to discuss this anyway you want outside of that.

P.S. You' been particularly whiny lately.
@88m3 is just mad about his botched adult circumcision
 

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My guess is that you saw that stuff in conversations that I haven't even been a part of, but you certainly ain't seen it come out of my mouth.
probably :yeshrug: it's getting hard to tell posters apart in here. it's just a monolith of investigationally frustrated liberal apologists :mjlol:
 

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Until the report is actually released, we don't know what else there is. .

Other than "no collusion"? Agreed. I fully expect potentially damaging insinuations. You don't investigate anyone for that long and come up with nothing negative about them.
 
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