Free heroin, cocaine and meth will be handed out in Vancouver (VIDEO)

[itsyoung!!]

@itsyoung!!


The declaration allowed the city to fast-track the creation of a "linkage center" that recently opened. It's a walk-in one-stop shop for expanded city services, such as drug, alcohol and mental health services, as well as homeless support that includes possibly a shelter bed and eventually permanent housing. At least, that's the hope.

Breed says she has no illusions that the new linkage center will quickly transform the Tenderloin. But she hopes it offers a new lifeline that meets people where they are.

"The fact is people who struggle with addiction, it's not as easy as they're just going to walk through the door and ask for help or we can't force them into treatment," she says. "Part of the goal is to make sure that they know that there's a place where they won't be judged, and when they're ready for help or assistance, they can get help or assistance."

This is recent... why would she need to declare a state of emergency, if the programs worked so well over the past 2 years

Also


Area around San Francisco's drug recovery Linkage Center resembles an open-air drug market

the linkage center is failing, people are already shooting up in there


all this is irrelevant though , right ? Because just a few posts ago you were denying if San Francisco had a drug problem at all and it was only my experience

so which is it, does San Francisco have such a bad drug issue that they need centers like this, or is it just my experience that you claimed few posts ago make up your mind you STUPID bytch

"But advocates for recovery disagree. Tom Wolf was homeless and addicted to heroin and fentanyl, and got clean only after he was arrested and forced into rehab. He’s a staunch critic of the city’s refusal to mandate drug treatment, and says allowing people to use drugs at a site aimed at curbing abuse is like holding an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting at bar. "

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

This is recent... why would she need to declare a state of emergency, if the programs worked so well over the past 2 years

Also


Area around San Francisco's drug recovery Linkage Center resembles an open-air drug market

the linkage center is failing, people are already shooting up in there


all this is irrelevant though , right ? Because just a few posts ago you were denying if San Francisco had a drug problem at all and it was only my experience

so which is it, does San Francisco have such a bad drug issue that they need centers like this, or is it just my experience that you claimed few posts ago make up your mind you STUPID bytch

"But advocates for recovery disagree. Tom Wolf was homeless and addicted to heroin and fentanyl, and got clean only after he was arrested and forced into rehab. He’s a staunch critic of the city’s refusal to mandate drug treatment, and says allowing people to use drugs at a site aimed at curbing abuse is like holding an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting at bar. "

Notice you had to resort to posting a Fox News story to get the confirmation bias you needed?

As I said before I think you dont actually get what’s going on . Good luck to you tho maybe you’ll get some Jack booted thugs in the street to murder these people or something if that’s your goal I dunno know or care.

 

[itsyoung!!]

Notice you had to resort to posting a Fox News story to get the confirmation bias you needed?

So the drugs disappear if Fox never posts about it ?

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

@itsyoung!! honestly thanks for posting those two stories. Gave me a bit more insight into the tenderloin area, their current issues and what’s being done by the mayor and police to combats those issues

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

Since the real life experiences we are sharing just arent official enough, here are news reports, literal crime reports, video, etc


To be clear, they already weren’t, but they made it official in febraury 2021

aug 21

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...gton/281-d2d52708-5ca2-4140-a96b-a221d6dea1d8
There have been more than 200 fatal overdoses in King County so far this year. There were 34 in July alone.
The deaths have already surpassed what King County saw in all of last year when there were 172.
The state is seeing a similar spike in fatal overdoses.
“In terms of trends of who is using, I would say the trend is everybody, the trend is there is no trend,” said Noble, who is an addiction treatment and prevention supervisor with Youth Eastside Services.​

FYE21

‘They are destroying the fabric of our neighborhood’: Seattle crime spikes, mayor pledges fix
Numbers from SPD show that in 2021 compared to 2020:

• Property crime increased 9%.
• Shootings and shots fired increased 40%, an all-time high for Seattle.
• Violent crime overall is up 20%; robberies and aggravated assaults are up, while homicide and rape are down.

The full crime report
​

jan 22

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...unty/281-b5ff5665-c45b-49bb-a9af-116cf484d66c
It's all kinds of drugs being lit up on the bus. Lighting up on the bus is becoming a problem from bus zones, to bus zones, and there's nothing we can do about it," Price said.

Data provided by King County Metro shows a sharp rise in illicit drug use that was formally reported by transit operators, with 44 reported in 2019, 73 reported in 2020, and 398 reported in 2021.​

This week

Third Avenue is Seattle’s endangered lifeblood
That same street:


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something tells me this won’t be sufficient and the goal posts will change shape (not even move lol)

​

 

[itsyoung!!]

Since the real life experiences we are sharing just arent official enough, here is are news reports, literal crime reports, video, etc


To be clear, they already weren’t, but they made it official in febraury 2021

aug 21

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...gton/281-d2d52708-5ca2-4140-a96b-a221d6dea1d8
There have been more than 200 fatal overdoses in King County so far this year. There were 34 in July alone.
The deaths have already surpassed what King County saw in all of last year when there were 172.
The state is seeing a similar spike in fatal overdoses.
“In terms of trends of who is using, I would say the trend is everybody, the trend is there is no trend,” said Noble, who is an addiction treatment and prevention supervisor with Youth Eastside Services.​

FYE21

‘They are destroying the fabric of our neighborhood’: Seattle crime spikes, mayor pledges fix
Numbers from SPD show that in 2021 compared to 2020:

• Property crime increased 9%.
• Shootings and shots fired increased 40%, an all-time high for Seattle.
• Violent crime overall is up 20%; robberies and aggravated assaults are up, while homicide and rape are down.

The full crime report
​

jan 22

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...unty/281-b5ff5665-c45b-49bb-a9af-116cf484d66c
It's all kinds of drugs being lit up on the bus. Lighting up on the bus is becoming a problem from bus zones, to bus zones, and there's nothing we can do about it," Price said.

Data provided by King County Metro shows a sharp rise in illicit drug use that was formally reported by transit operators, with 44 reported in 2019, 73 reported in 2020, and 398 reported in 2021.​

This week

Third Avenue is Seattle’s endangered lifeblood
That same street:


​

something tells me this won’t be sufficient and the goal posts will change shape (not even move lol)

​

My man, its just your experience

 

[UpAndComing]

That's dope

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

My man, its just your experience

Clearly we aren’t ready to have a serious discussion...where are the peer reviewed published reports written by people from other countries about our neighborhoods

 

[JLova]

You sound like a libertarian(shy republican). Anything that helps improve the country and lives of your countrymen is a good thing. Come to America if you want to find out what actually being fukked by the government and corporations feels like

do you live here? If not then either educate yourself on Canadian politics and taxation or don’t bother.

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

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[Godless Socialist CEO]

Since the real life experiences we are sharing just arent official enough, here is are news reports, literal crime reports, video, etc


To be clear, they already weren’t, but they made it official in febraury 2021

aug 21

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...gton/281-d2d52708-5ca2-4140-a96b-a221d6dea1d8
There have been more than 200 fatal overdoses in King County so far this year. There were 34 in July alone.
The deaths have already surpassed what King County saw in all of last year when there were 172.
The state is seeing a similar spike in fatal overdoses.
“In terms of trends of who is using, I would say the trend is everybody, the trend is there is no trend,” said Noble, who is an addiction treatment and prevention supervisor with Youth Eastside Services.​

FYE21

‘They are destroying the fabric of our neighborhood’: Seattle crime spikes, mayor pledges fix
Numbers from SPD show that in 2021 compared to 2020:

• Property crime increased 9%.
• Shootings and shots fired increased 40%, an all-time high for Seattle.
• Violent crime overall is up 20%; robberies and aggravated assaults are up, while homicide and rape are down.

The full crime report
​

jan 22

https://www.king5.com/article/news/...unty/281-b5ff5665-c45b-49bb-a9af-116cf484d66c
It's all kinds of drugs being lit up on the bus. Lighting up on the bus is becoming a problem from bus zones, to bus zones, and there's nothing we can do about it," Price said.

Data provided by King County Metro shows a sharp rise in illicit drug use that was formally reported by transit operators, with 44 reported in 2019, 73 reported in 2020, and 398 reported in 2021.​

This week

Third Avenue is Seattle’s endangered lifeblood
That same street:


​

something tells me this won’t be sufficient and the goal posts will change shape (not even move lol)

​

So as far as the crime report go. We’ve all acknowledged crime increased everywhere due to lockdowns being removed from 2020 yes no?

im not loving any goal posts im trying to figure out where the correlation is between what Portugal and Vancouver are doing as to how those policies being adopted (I don’t believe they were adopted in these cities or they just got adopted recently) are driving crime and rampant drug usage in these cities as you two claim.

Im looking for the correlation here. Centers to test drugs and for clean needles help combat these issues you guys are posting about. Hell in the first article they talk about sending people out to hand out clean needles and narcan. If anything I’d say what will help solve these problems is a massive expansion of these and other public service programs but that’s an entirely different story. No need to move the goalposts I just think you guys are a bit confused as to what’s causing these issues

 

[JLova]

why are you so convinced that providing addicts with 'free' drugs is more costly than the war on drugs?

militarizing the police is expensive, raids are expensive, surveillance operations are expensive.

all costly the resources needed to respond to drug-related crimes are expensive.

the property damage, the stolen goods, etc.

imprisoning people for drug-related crimes is expensive.

the middle-class was hood-winked into financing the war on drugs. enriching monied interests on both sides.

support a position that actually removes the financial incentive of continuing this terrible policy called the war on drugs.

Never said any of that. If you understood the issues plaguing this country you’d have a different response.

 

[bnew]

I don't work in this field so I don't have any proof. I'm no expert on addiction.

But I am a voter. And as a voter there are many issues of government and policy which I don't have the expertise to understand. So what do I do? I form an opinion as best I can based on common sense. It might not be backed by research and weight of evidence. But for a voter in an election, that will do. It's good enough.

Let me tell you where my common sense judgement comes from, it's from knowing a little bit about the recent history of tobacco and alcohol regulation. In most countries it's now illegal to advertise tobacco products in any way shape or form. Alcohol advertising is also severely limited in most countries.

Nicotine is an addictive substance. The research shows, I believe, that it is up there alongside heroin for how easy it is for a user to get hooked on it. It is a fair product to compare with heroin.

Now in the past tobacco companies used to advertise heavily, even having campaigns directed at children. Some of the older Coli posters have written about it. They have written on this forum about how menthol cigarette brands used to drive around African-American neighbourhoods handing out their cigarettes for free, so as to expand their customer base. Older Coli posters have also written that cigarettes were given out on a promotional basis in the US Army, again with the purpose of creating a new customer base. Product giveaways of tobacco had just one purpose, to increase the sales of cigarettes and increase the profits of tobacco companies.

In more recent years that has all been made illegal and tobacco companies can no longer do product giveaways or even advertise in any media form. Together with aggressive public health anti-smoking campaigns, and sustained tax hikes on cigarette sales jacking up the price, smokers have been incentivised to quit and younger people are taking up cigarettes at historically low rates.

So my common sense tells me that legalising a product takes the criminal element out of it, which is fantastic, that's ideal. But at the same time, hiding it and making it hard to access and impossible to see advertising for is what solves the public health aspect of the problem. So, I want heroin to be sold in stores only, at nosebleeding prices. The cost of it will incentivise people who have never tried it before to not buy it. The absence of free giveaways and absence of all marketing and advertising will make it impossible for heroin companies to create a new generation of customers.

My common sense as a voter tells me to back a plan where drugs will be legalised but regulated just as tightly if not more tightly than tobacco and alcohol are. That means under no circumstances are there to be any product giveaways.

as a voter myself, I want to eliminate the profit motive to sell hard drugs completely and thus eliminating the need to commit crimes to fund hard drug addictions. it's absolutely the saner policy than what we currently have.

i don't want the government to promote drug use. I want the government to provide comprehensive drug awareness programs so people know exactly what they're getting into and drug rehabilitation programs to getting them off drugs completely.

My proposal severely harms or eliminates black markets while yours encourages them.

 

[itsyoung!!]

So as far as the crime report go. We’ve all acknowledged crime increased everywhere due to lockdowns being removed from 2020 yes no?

im not loving any goal posts im trying to figure out where the correlation is between what Portugal and Vancouver are doing as to how those policies being adopted (I don’t believe they were adopted in these cities or they just got adopted recently) are driving crime and rampant drug usage in these cities as you two claim.

Im looking for the correlation here. Centers to test drugs and for clean needles help combat these issues you guys are posting about. Hell in the first article they talk about sending people out to hand out clean needles and narcan. If anything I’d say what will help solve these problems is a massive expansion of these and other public service programs but that’s an entirely different story. No need to move the goalposts I just think you guys are a bit confused as to what’s causing these issues

because you are just typing to type at this point... in reality if a junkie is on the other side of town away from one of those centers they still gone get they fix.. but now they can get their fix on both sides of town.. one from the city and one from the other side of town.. this doesnt help them get clean, it just enables to stay high longer and thats where the crime and drug has risen.. people scammed the PPP / SBA / EDD to get what ? Buy drugs to sell to who ? The people in these centers it solved nothing, only enabled them to get free needles to shoot up outside Dior or Saks 5th a few blocks away You are so focused on these centers.. but San Francisco is "open drug use" city wide.. as in YOU can shoot up illegal heroin infront of a cop, and they wont arrest or even look at you. This can be down by the malls, a restaurant, a high rise apartment or in a center... but guess where they mostly do it at ? Again, you dont live this shyt, you just a sheltered liberal p*ssy

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

because you are just typing to type at this point... in reality if a junkie is on the other side of town away from one of those centers they still gone get they fix.. but now they can get their fix on both sides of town.. one from the city and one from the other side of town.. this doesnt help them get clean, it just enables to stay high longer and thats where the crime and drug has risen.. people scammed the PPP / SBA / EDD to get what ? Buy drugs to sell to who ? The people in these centers it solved nothing, only enabled them to get free needles to shoot up outside Dior or Saks 5th a few blocks away You are so focused on these centers.. but San Francisco is "open drug use" city wide.. as in YOU can shoot up illegal heroin infront of a cop, and they wont arrest or even look at you. This can be down by the malls, a restaurant, a high rise apartment or in a center... but guess where they mostly do it at ? Again, you dont live this shyt, you just a sheltered liberal p*ssy

85% of San Francisco's drug arrests happen in the Tenderloin. Police explain why | abc7news.com

Why does this story written 6 days ago state that cops are arresting people for drugs in tenderloin. What are you talking about? The city isn’t buying people drugs so I still don’t understand what ur complaint here is?

If you want a crime bill that arrests everyone just say that but you don’t have to lie about what’s going on in order to push what’s biases you have