French, Fetty, Desiigner, A$AP Rocky

[SirBiatch]

Historical context


The southern sound is more organic. It goes back to chattel slavery and the southern bible belt. The bottom line is our ancestors were very musically inclined and often used it to communicate and express themselves against oppression.

Those of our ancestors that were "fortunate"(I say that sarcastically) enough to migrate north had quicker access to the Europeans' education as freed men and women. This is essence of a societal disconnect that has been in place over the last 100 years. Northern "blacks" begin to feel like they were more sophisticated than southern blacks because of their access to european education and jobs.

The reality is.... they were no more sophisticated but they might've spoke Kingsmen English just as eloquently as their former masters.

Southern "blacks" were left with (european) religion, land, and were forced to work together (out of circumstance) to build communities because they didn't have the same access to the "best" (I say best sarcastically) education and resources as the northerners.


The south's run has been long and strong not because their music is simplistic or less sophisticated but because of it's origins.

Right. Y'all are musical. I think y'all said: why we sampling when we can just replay those songs or even create them ourselves, then rap on top?

Which is dope but not quite hip hop if you know what I mean.

And the reality of the matter is that hip hop culture to this day is strongest in the East. I've spent time in Houston, LA and New York. Outside of Atlanta, those are the biggest cultural hip hop markets in the country. And a friend of mine, Houston born and raised, is always complaining about how Houston as a whole aint really into hip hop like that.

 

[MercuryHayes]

@SirBiatch is the booths woat?

laughable.

 

[10:31]

Right. Y'all are musical. I think y'all said: why we sampling when we can just replay those songs or even create them ourselves, then rap on top?

Which is dope but not quite hip hop if you know what I mean.

And the reality of the matter is that hip hop culture to this day is strongest in the East. I've spent time in Houston, LA and New York. Outside of Atlanta, those are the biggest cultural hip hop markets in the country. And a friend of mine, Houston born and raised, is always complaining about how Houston as a whole aint really into hip hop like that.

I just added a little more to that last post. My last statement was actually to much of anything can be a bad thing. That's sort of where I'm at with this now.

Fabulous (I love him but) is also a shape shifting ass MC. I can't blame him either because the social engineering had an impact on him too. He sounds less like Guru and Redman and more like Big Sean and Future these days....

So how can I turn around and be mad @ Desiigner, Fetty Wop (Guwop lol), and A$Ap Rocky when they never had someone from the previous generation of NY MCs to groom them. They were UNINTENDED victims of the engineering.


By the time these kids were adolescents the south dominated radio one and I'm sure most of them never questioned why....

When I hear Fetty Wop say his favorite MC is Gucci Mane I'm shocked.... I can't lie I'm shocked.... Just one decade before I would've never imagined Joe Budden saying his favorite MC is Pimp C (and that isn't a shot)

 

[MercuryHayes]

Rocky is undoubtedly the biggest NY student of the game, in the game right now..the sound may be different, but he knows his 90s shyt through and through.

In general there's no reason to lump rocky with these other artists. All you have to do is listen to interviews.

 

[10:31]

Rocky is undoubtedly the biggest NY student of the game, in the game right now..the sound may be different, but he knows his 90s shyt through and through.

In general there's no reason to lump rocky with these other artists. All you have to do is listen to interviews.

His government name is Rakim

I'm assuming his family knew what time it was. Would you say NY Hip Hop culture or Southern hip hop Culture had more of an impact on his career?

 

[MercuryHayes]

His government name is Rakim

I'm assuming his family knew what time it was. Would you say NY Hip Hop culture or Southern hip hop Culture had more of an impact on his career?

The hybrid of both made the impact but I listen to LIveLove and don't think about Houston like that. Clams Casino does not make Southern beats. Only thing I feel from Houston is the lean talk, not exactly the music. Im from the midwest and live on the westcoast. I never listened to UGK like that though.

What drew me to rocky was that bone thugs flow on palace That shyt came outta nowhere in 2010/11

 

[SirBiatch]

I just added a little more to that last post. My last statement was actually to much of anything can be a bad thing. That's sort of where I'm at with this now.

Fabulous (I love him but) is also a shape shifting ass MC. I can't blame him either because the social engineering had an impact on him too. He sounds less like Guru and Redman and more like Big Sean and Future these days....

So how can I turn around and be mad @ Desiigner, Fetty Wop (Guwop lol), and A$Ap Rocky when they never had someone from the previous generation of NY MCs to groom them. They were UNINTENDED victims of the engineering.


By the time these kids were adolescents the south dominated radio one and I'm sure most of them never questioned why....

When I hear Fetty Wop say his favorite MC is Gucci Mane I'm shocked.... I can't lie I'm shocked.... Just one decade before I would've never imagined Joe Budden saying his favorite MC is Pimp C (and that isn't a shot)

The issue for me is more of the fact that EVERYONE sounds like Gucci Mane, not that a rapper is reaching across regional lines to sound like someone else.

The hybrid of both made the impact but I listen to LIveLove and don't think about Houston like that. Clams Casino does not make Southern beats. Only thing I feel from Houston is the lean talk, not exactly the music. Im from the midwest and live on the westcoast. I never listened to UGK like that though.

What drew me to rocky was that bone thugs flow on palace That shyt came outta nowhere in 2010/11

I'd rep you if I could breh

My avi

I'm still shocked that some so-called NY hip hop fans, especially the type that would bump a Mobb Deep/Dipset/Wu, hate on Rocky. It's at this point

 

[10:31]

The issue for me is more of the fact that EVERYONE sounds like Gucci Mane, not that a rapper is reaching across regional lines to sound like someone else.

And that is the point of my thread

There is a reason why everyone sounds like Gucci Mane and that's not to take anything away from Radric Davis' impact on pop culture

I actually wouldn't mind some diversity between the regions. Mainstream hip hop is loosing it's identity. I know you won't like this example @SirBiatch but that's why Kendrick's sophomore album was refreshing. It blended Hip hop with old soul samples and Jazz. The production was so retro it felt new in 2015.

That's what made 2015 so refreshing to an extent.

Lupe Fiasco is like Hip Hop's Stanley Kubrick the way he can code his bars and use descriptive imagery to paint pictures..

The distinct sound is missing. You guys know I love Three Six Mafia but that doesn't mean I want the whole genre to sound like them...

 

[SirBiatch]

And that is the point of my thread

There is a reason why everyone sounds like Gucci Mane and that's not to take anything away from Radric Davis' impact on pop culture

I actually wouldn't mind some diversity between the regions. Mainstream hip hop is loosing it's identity. I know you won't like this example @SirBiatch but that's why Kendrick's sophomore album was refreshing. It blended Hip hop with old soul samples and Jazz. The production was so retro it felt new in 2015.

That's what made 2015 so refreshing to an extent.

Lupe Fiasco is like Hip Hop's Stanley Kubrick the way he can code his bars and use descriptive imagery to paint pictures..

The distinct sound is missing. You guys know I love Three Six Mafia but that doesn't mean I want the whole genre to sound like them...

 

[Raheem95]

@Cbanks36 do you think artists should sample ?

 

[10:31]

@SirBiatch you ever hear any of BG's old albums pre 2001?

He's legit one of the best southern MCs to pick the mic and doesn't get his credit for a variety of reasons some by his own merit...



@Raheem95 no sir. There is nothing wrong with sampling in my book.

 

[SonnyDecay]

you ever hear any of BG's old albums pre 2001

old bg is so good, always loved this

 

[SirBiatch]

@SirBiatch you ever hear any of BG's old albums pre 2001

nah breh. I'm not really into Cash Money like that. How do his old albums compare to 400 Degreez?

 

[Raheem95]

@Raheem95 no sir. There is nothing wrong with sampling in my book.

i remember Outkast discussed using live instrumentation on their albums.

 

[10:31]

old bg is so good, always loved this

Geezy is one of the greatest southern MCs to spit. It's a shame he doesn't get credit. There are so many southern MCs that don't get love


It's like they never existed.. I love Gucci Mane but Gucci came out in 03... He had influences