From The New Yorker: "My Great-Grandfather, the Nigerian Slave-Trader"

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This thread was very informative.

Unless we're going to get more anecdotes or new info, I thinks there's not much more to rehash. You've either denounced, not denounced, been outraged, not been outraged, chosen a side or came in with kumbaya hugs at this point.

But I surely learned a lot.

 

[xoxodede]

So this letter fake to you?

Read the damning letter written by the king of Kongo to the king of Portugal over slavery in 1526 - Face2Face Africa

We discussed this before.. This is not the TransAtlantic Slave Trade and before it happened....

Here's my post from this thread: Nick Cannon on Slavery Never Existing If it Weren't for Guns

I covered Queen Nzinga, King Ansah of Ghana, Agadja and Nzenga Maremba aka Afonso of the Kongo Kingdom.

And...

• Queen Nzinga reigned during the mid/late 1600’s -- she wanted to stop the Portuguese from expanding the trade in her land -- but also stop their control and the threat of more control there. She did successfully fight the Portuguese for over 30 years but she did still ally and form an alliance with the Dutch Slave Traders. "Her goal was to remove the Portuguese from Angola altogether and have the Dutch as the European trading power on the coast."

At times, she supported the slave trade from Africa to the Americas, but she also sometimes protected escaped slaves, in exchange for their loyalty. Matamba dominated the whole Kimbundu region, and after successfully fighting the Portuguese, Nzinga turned on her Dutch allies and defeated them as well. She then made a new alliance with the Portuguese, so that she could export the slaves she had captured in war or received from her vassals. In 1656, she signed a peace treaty with the Portuguese governor of Angola and reconverted to Catholicism.[12] Source

• King Ansah of Ghana ruled 1470-1486. And it was honorable for him to protect his people. As for Colonial America and the first enslaved person on this soil it was around 1619. Basically, not TransAtlantic.

• A king of Dahomey [Agadja] once requested that Europeans establish a firearms factory in his nation, but this request went ignored. Firearms became necessary for African nations to defend themselves both from African rivals as well as from European intrusion, but the only way to acquire these weapons was through the slave trade. This situation only benefited the competing European powers that were able to play Africans against each other.

• Senegal King of Almammy - NO. He made illegal to have any slaves MARCH THROUGH his Kingdom. He was not against slavery -- he just didn't want any Muslims enslaved. Source: The French Atlantic Triangle: Literature and Culture of the Slave Trade

• Nzenga Maremba aka Afonso of the Kongo Kingdom
  
  He reigned 1509 to late 1542 or 1543 and it was the Kongo-Portuguese slave trade not the TransAtlantic Slave Trade.
  
  And though he may have "resisted" he gave in.
  
  Although Afonso was outspokenly opposed to slavery and initially fought the Portuguese demand for human beings, he eventually relented in order to sustain the economy of the Kongo. Initially Afonso sent war captives and criminals to be sold as slaves to the Portuguese. Eventually Portuguese demand for slaves exceeded the country's potential supply, prompting them to search for slaves in neighboring regions.
  
  Afonso let this situation continue for as long as it did as an attempt to not be overtly rude to the Portuguese, as he had actively required their help to solve various conflicts within his Kingdom. Afonso I also had been attempting to resolve the situation diplomatically through letters to the Vatican as well as to Portugal. The responses told him that they had little intention of altering the actions of the Portuguese traders. The Portuguese regarded the slave trade as nothing more than typical commerce. This is why the commission was established. The Portuguese showed clear disdain with the condition of the slave economics of the Kongo and attempted to assassinate Afonso I in 1540. This attempt resulted failure.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

We discussed this before.. This is not the TransAtlantic Slave Trade and before it happened....

Here's my post from this thread: Nick Cannon on Slavery Never Existing If it Weren't for Guns

I covered Queen Nzinga, King Ansah of Ghana, Agadja and Nzenga Maremba aka Afonso of the Kongo Kingdom.

And...

• Queen Nzinga reigned during the mid/late 1600’s -- she wanted to stop the Portuguese from expanding the trade in her land -- but also stop their control and the threat of more control there. She did successfully fight the Portuguese for over 30 years but she did still ally and form an alliance with the Dutch Slave Traders. "Her goal was to remove the Portuguese from Angola altogether and have the Dutch as the European trading power on the coast."

At times, she supported the slave trade from Africa to the Americas, but she also sometimes protected escaped slaves, in exchange for their loyalty. Matamba dominated the whole Kimbundu region, and after successfully fighting the Portuguese, Nzinga turned on her Dutch allies and defeated them as well. She then made a new alliance with the Portuguese, so that she could export the slaves she had captured in war or received from her vassals. In 1656, she signed a peace treaty with the Portuguese governor of Angola and reconverted to Catholicism.[12] Source

• King Ansah of Ghana ruled 1470-1486. And it was honorable for him to protect his people. As for Colonial America and the first enslaved person on this soil it was around 1619. Basically, not TransAtlantic.

• A king of Dahomey [Agadja] once requested that Europeans establish a firearms factory in his nation, but this request went ignored. Firearms became necessary for African nations to defend themselves both from African rivals as well as from European intrusion, but the only way to acquire these weapons was through the slave trade. This situation only benefited the competing European powers that were able to play Africans against each other.

• Senegal King of Almammy - NO. He made illegal to have any slaves MARCH THROUGH his Kingdom. He was not against slavery -- he just didn't want any Muslims enslaved. Source: The French Atlantic Triangle: Literature and Culture of the Slave Trade

• Nzenga Maremba aka Afonso of the Kongo Kingdom
  
  He reigned 1509 to late 1542 or 1543 and it was the Kongo-Portuguese slave trade not the TransAtlantic Slave Trade.
  
  And though he may have "resisted" he gave in.
  
  Although Afonso was outspokenly opposed to slavery and initially fought the Portuguese demand for human beings, he eventually relented in order to sustain the economy of the Kongo. Initially Afonso sent war captives and criminals to be sold as slaves to the Portuguese. Eventually Portuguese demand for slaves exceeded the country's potential supply, prompting them to search for slaves in neighboring regions.
  
  Afonso let this situation continue for as long as it did as an attempt to not be overtly rude to the Portuguese, as he had actively required their help to solve various conflicts within his Kingdom. Afonso I also had been attempting to resolve the situation diplomatically through letters to the Vatican as well as to Portugal. The responses told him that they had little intention of altering the actions of the Portuguese traders. The Portuguese regarded the slave trade as nothing more than typical commerce. This is why the commission was established. The Portuguese showed clear disdain with the condition of the slave economics of the Kongo and attempted to assassinate Afonso I in 1540. This attempt resulted failure.

great info, it was unknown to me

 

[Off the Onion]

thread had 20,000 views. shyt must have been somewhere near the top in the google search.

Same people responding but obviously there are a lot of lurkers

 

[xoxodede]

great info, it was unknown to me

Black History nerd and proud HBCU Alum

 

[get these nets]

The article Yvette Carnell is referencing:

Opinion | How to End the Slavery Blame-Game

Ending the Slavery Blame-Game

By HENRY LOUIS GATES Jr.

You already know how I feel about Gates.

I'm gonna go back and see in which context YC is quoting Gates, but HE is a clown. He buried the story of Ben Affleck's ancestors running plantations & owning human beings..he buried, copped pleas for and LIED about European and Western hemisphere jews who were involved in numerous aspects of the slave trade. But he has graphs,charts,dates and figures....and apparently time to document African rulers and merchants selling people.
I rarely use the slur ,Uncle Tom, but he's King Tom......lapdog for the masters who feed him.

How many human beings were owned by his white wife's ancestors?

 

[xoxodede]

You already know how I feel about Gates.

I'm gonna go back and see in which context YC is quoting Gates, but HE is a clown. He buried the story of Ben Affleck's ancestors running plantations & owning human beings..he buried, copped pleas for and LIED about European and Western hemisphere jews who were involved in numerous aspects of the slave trade. But he has graphs,charts,dates and figures....and apparently time to document African rulers and merchants selling people.
I rarely use the slur ,Uncle Tom, but he's King Tom......lapdog for the masters who feed him.

How many human beings were owned by his white wife's ancestors?

Oh -- I know! Me too! I am still mad about the Black Confederate mess. He is white-identified and in a tragic arrangement.

Yvette is covering the article in video -- that's why I posted it.

 

[315]

This is false....

Africans fueled Western Imperialism by selling the slaves...

There would be no USA without the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade....

There would be no British Empire without the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade...

There would've been no Portuguese or Spanish Empire...

White people wouldn't be able to live and thrive in the Americas if wasn't for West Africans...

There would've be no White Supremacy if it wasn't for West Africans selling slaves...

There would've been no racism as we know it if wasn't for West Africans selling slaves...

The world as we know it...would not exist...and Africans don't take any responsibility cause they didn't come out on top of the whole ordeal. That's the only reason nobody looks at Africans and their ancestors like fukking Hitler or Pol Pot. If Africa wasn't so poor and ravaged, yall would've been looked at just as bad as White people.

West Africa and the systems in West Africa and their conspiracy with Europe created this world that we live in.

West Africans sold themselves out to the Europeans and fueled Western Imperialism...due to greed and bloodlust and the elite and corrupt Africans benefited the most from it...from the oil barons, the kings, the chiefs, the fukking military dictatorships, the fukking diplomats, the fukking aristocrats...

The fukking ports on the west coast of Africa that is used until this day was made by slave money...

The fukk are you talking about?


African Americans and other DOS did not benefit whatsoever...we loss everything.

fukk did we get?

The West Africans that are mad or look down upon USA Blacks cause we live in a better country are just mad that they loss.

Yall know the story and the histories of y'all involvement in the Americas with Europeans and y'all are bitter fukking co-conspirators and business partners....

Y'all mad cause we ended up like Joseph.

How the enslaved gonna be the most impactful Blacks in the World....in the belly of the beast...

That wasn't the plan was it...

 

[get these nets]

Oh -- I know! Me too! I am still mad about the Black Confederate mess. He is white-identified and in a tragic arrangement.

Yvette is covering the article in video -- that's why I posted it.

THANKS...downloaded her video that was posted here 2 days ago...is is that video or a newer one?

Gonna see how she's using this article........
She's intelligent, so I hope she's not using the "they sold us" angle to blame entire regions of people for the decisions of the ruling class and the merchants.

.If she takes that route.........I'm going to have to wonder how many human beings did HER white wife's ancestors own?

 

[xoxodede]

THANKS...downloaded her video that was posted here 2 days ago...is is that video or a newer one?

Gonna see how she's using this article........
She's intelligent, so I hope she's not using the "they sold us" angle to blame entire regions of people for the decisions of the ruling class and the merchants.

.If she takes that route.........I'm going to have to wonder how many human beings did HER white wife's ancestors own?

She's live right now. It's a new one -- but Part 2 -- she talking about the article again.

 

[The Fade]

This is false....

Africans fueled Western Imperialism by selling the slaves...

There would be no USA without the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade....

There would be no British Empire without the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade...

There would've been no Portuguese or Spanish Empire...

White people wouldn't be able to live and thrive in the Americas if wasn't for West Africans...

There would've be no White Supremacy if it wasn't for West Africans selling slaves...

There would've been no racism as we know it if wasn't for West Africans selling slaves...

The world as we know it...would not exist...and Africans don't take any responsibility cause they didn't come out on top of the whole ordeal. That's the only reason nobody looks at Africans and their ancestors like fukking Hitler or Pol Pot. If Africa wasn't so poor and ravaged, yall would've been looked at just as bad as White people.

West Africa and the systems in West Africa and their conspiracy with Europe created this world that we live in.

West Africans sold themselves out to the Europeans and fueled Western Imperialism...due to greed and bloodlust and the elite and corrupt Africans benefited the most from it...from the oil barons, the kings, the chiefs, the fukking military dictatorships, the fukking diplomats, the fukking aristocrats...

The fukking ports on the west coast of Africa that is used until this day was made by slave money...

The fukk are you talking about?


African Americans and other DOS did not benefit whatsoever...we loss everything.

fukk did we get?

The West Africans that are mad or look down upon USA Blacks cause we live in a better country are just mad that they loss.

Yall know the story and the histories of y'all involvement in the Americas with Europeans and y'all are bitter fukking co-conspirators and business partners....

Y'all mad cause we ended up like Joseph.

How the enslaved gonna be the most impactful Blacks in the World....in the belly of the beast...

That wasn't the plan was it...

 

[Mountain]

This is false....

Africans fueled Western Imperialism by selling the slaves...

There would be no USA without the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade....

There would be no British Empire without the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade...

There would've been no Portuguese or Spanish Empire...

White people wouldn't be able to live and thrive in the Americas if wasn't for West Africans...

There would've be no White Supremacy if it wasn't for West Africans selling slaves...

There would've been no racism as we know it if wasn't for West Africans selling slaves...

The world as we know it...would not exist...and Africans don't take any responsibility cause they didn't come out on top of the whole ordeal. That's the only reason nobody looks at Africans and their ancestors like fukking Hitler or Pol Pot. If Africa wasn't so poor and ravaged, yall would've been looked at just as bad as White people.

West Africa and the systems in West Africa and their conspiracy with Europe created this world that we live in.

West Africans sold themselves out to the Europeans and fueled Western Imperialism...due to greed and bloodlust and the elite and corrupt Africans benefited the most from it...from the oil barons, the kings, the chiefs, the fukking military dictatorships, the fukking diplomats, the fukking aristocrats...

The fukking ports on the west coast of Africa that is used until this day was made by slave money...

The fukk are you talking about?


African Americans and other DOS did not benefit whatsoever...we loss everything.

fukk did we get?

The West Africans that are mad or look down upon USA Blacks cause we live in a better country are just mad that they loss.

Yall know the story and the histories of y'all involvement in the Americas with Europeans and y'all are bitter fukking co-conspirators and business partners....

Y'all mad cause we ended up like Joseph.

How the enslaved gonna be the most impactful Blacks in the World....in the belly of the beast...

That wasn't the plan was it...

This forum is full of idiots.

The traitor minority sold slaves but the majority of slaves were taken from West Africa by force. "West Africa" wasn't conspiring with the western empire to be colonised, robbed and have its people and land pillaged don't be stupid.

 

[5n0man]

This is false....

Africans fueled Western Imperialism by selling the slaves...

There would be no USA without the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade....

There would be no British Empire without the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade...

There would've been no Portuguese or Spanish Empire...

White people wouldn't be able to live and thrive in the Americas if wasn't for West Africans...

There would've be no White Supremacy if it wasn't for West Africans selling slaves...

There would've been no racism as we know it if wasn't for West Africans selling slaves...

The world as we know it...would not exist...and Africans don't take any responsibility cause they didn't come out on top of the whole ordeal. That's the only reason nobody looks at Africans and their ancestors like fukking Hitler or Pol Pot. If Africa wasn't so poor and ravaged, yall would've been looked at just as bad as White people.

West Africa and the systems in West Africa and their conspiracy with Europe created this world that we live in.

West Africans sold themselves out to the Europeans and fueled Western Imperialism...due to greed and bloodlust and the elite and corrupt Africans benefited the most from it...from the oil barons, the kings, the chiefs, the fukking military dictatorships, the fukking diplomats, the fukking aristocrats...

The fukking ports on the west coast of Africa that is used until this day was made by slave money...

The fukk are you talking about?


African Americans and other DOS did not benefit whatsoever...we loss everything.

fukk did we get?

The West Africans that are mad or look down upon USA Blacks cause we live in a better country are just mad that they loss.

Yall know the story and the histories of y'all involvement in the Americas with Europeans and y'all are bitter fukking co-conspirators and business partners....

Y'all mad cause we ended up like Joseph.

How the enslaved gonna be the most impactful Blacks in the World....in the belly of the beast...

That wasn't the plan was it...

Pure raw truth right here.


They hate us for just surviving, hate us for overcoming the odds. If it were up to them we'd be scrubbing their floors and making their plates while they look down on us, make themselves feel better by telling themselves that they do it to help us.

They hate that black Americans are the most noteworthy black population in the world. They feel like it wasn't supposed to turn out this way, we were supposed to know our place and accept being a slave.

Instead we rose up, it makes them angry. They fear Osu doing the same over there one day.

 

[GodinDaFlesh]

Pure raw truth right here.


They hate us for just surviving, hate us for overcoming the odds. If it were up to them we'd be scrubbing their floors and making their plates while they look down on us, make themselves feel better by telling themselves that they do it to help us.

They hate that black Americans are the most noteworthy black population in the world. They feel like it wasn't supposed to turn out this way, we were supposed to know our place and accept being a slave.

Instead we rose up, it makes them angry. They fear Osu doing the same over there one day.

Right, if these fantasies make you sleep better.

 

[IcemanCometh]

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