GAF Has A Discussion On Black People In VG Journalism

[King Sun]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857968
Don't have to tell you of the statements but one dude dropped that ether

Thread is heartbreaking.

HHG is just as much a 'journalist' as any of the other personalities that people worship here.

I'm so tired of these threads and podcasts talking diversity in gaming and gaming media. I know that people mean well, but it's like salt in a wound. The DLC guys just had an open mic about it, and racial 'conversation' has been popping up with more frequency here on GAF.

It's not that I'm against the discussion. Unfortunately, it always devolves into absurd digressions and defensive posturing from Gaffers feeling persecuted or delusional about the truth of the industry.

With the exception of events like EVO, the face of the industry is white guys who hang with other white guys and listen to white guys talk and cajole about the cool things that white guys make all day. Sometimes you'll get white guys who bond over shared love of Japanese stuff, or white guys who really love retro gaming - which makes them hipster cool white guys, not like the 'brofist' guy gamers at all! In the end, however, it's a circle jerk of white guys hanging out on forums like GAF, reddit, TNL, Penny Arcade, or whatever, amusing themselves, and wondering why there aren't more (insert minority) that kick it with them.

Never mind that whenever one breaks through, the minute there's too much hip hop, feminism, or cultural references texturing that personality, that opinion becomes intolerable.

To be frank, I've been in the industry since 1999 and recently said 'eff it' to the whole damn affair. I've seen the handful of us come and go over the years. I know where many of us started, and also know intimately the oblivion of obscurity where most of us end.

Whatever. HHG is as much a credible personality as Jim Sterling. That's not a slight to Jim, but an illustration of how meaningless that term in within this absurd industry.

If you're talking solid gaming journalism in the traditional sense, the only guys really doing it are Klepatrick, Polygon, Kotaku, RPS, and a few of the other fringe sites staying hard on the news grind...

 

[Rain]

Is he banned yet?

 

[King Sun]

Is he banned yet?

actually no but its only a matter of time. Those dudes on there hate HHG because he doesn't fit in to the typical reviewers. I can't get through a giantbomb podcast or anything they write

 

[Zero]

I'm not sure why folks expect much from a site that caters to sheltered ass white folk

 

[winb83]

Don't have to tell you of the statements but one dude dropped that ether

Thread is heartbreaking.

HHG is just as much a 'journalist' as any of the other personalities that people worship here.

I'm so tired of these threads and podcasts talking diversity in gaming and gaming media. I know that people mean well, but it's like salt in a wound. The DLC guys just had an open mic about it, and racial 'conversation' has been popping up with more frequency here on GAF.

It's not that I'm against the discussion. Unfortunately, it always devolves into absurd digressions and defensive posturing from Gaffers feeling persecuted or delusional about the truth of the industry.

With the exception of events like EVO, the face of the industry is white guys who hang with other white guys and listen to white guys talk and cajole about the cool things that white guys make all day. Sometimes you'll get white guys who bond over shared love of Japanese stuff, or white guys who really love retro gaming - which makes them hipster cool white guys, not like the 'brofist' guy gamers at all! In the end, however, it's a circle jerk of white guys hanging out on forums like GAF, reddit, TNL, Penny Arcade, or whatever, amusing themselves, and wondering why there aren't more (insert minority) that kick it with them.

Never mind that whenever one breaks through, the minute there's too much hip hop, feminism, or cultural references texturing that personality, that opinion becomes intolerable.

To be frank, I've been in the industry since 1999 and recently said 'eff it' to the whole damn affair. I've seen the handful of us come and go over the years. I know where many of us started, and also know intimately the oblivion of obscurity where most of us end.

Whatever. HHG is as much a credible personality as Jim Sterling. That's not a slight to Jim, but an illustration of how meaningless that term in within this absurd industry.

If you're talking solid gaming journalism in the traditional sense, the only guys really doing it are Klepatrick, Polygon, Kotaku, RPS, and a few of the other fringe sites staying hard on the news grind...

Wasn't HHG the one that suggested NFL 2K is coming back?

Beyond that there is no such thing as video game journalism. what you call that is basically part of the video game companies advertising budgets. you go on their web sites and the ads are all from game companies and these people are given the products they review by game companies. essentially they exist because the game companies allow it and effectively pay their salaries.

 

[Zero]

Beyond that there is no such thing as video game journalism. what you call that is basically part of the video game companies advertising budgets. you go on their web sites and the adds are all from game companies and these people are given the products they review by game companies. essentially they exist because the game companies allow it and effectively pay their salaries.

And there the fukk it is.

 

[Rekkapryde]

And lastly, on mufukkaz shyttin on my man Hiphopgamer because that's who they are talking about...they aint slick.....

 

[winb83]

And there the fukk it is.

these "professional" game journalist can't say or do what they want they have to get in line with the publisher's agenda. at least if you work for a newspaper and review a movie there's more money involved than just the movie studios going to that paper that employs you.

If a Grand Theft Auto game comes out and it's decent at best like GTA4 they'll give it 9s and 10s because they have to. the review outlet can't afford to burn that bridge. we saw what happened at Gamespot when Jeff Gerstmann tried to go against the all mighty publisher.

you have crap like embargoes where they give them a product and stamp a date on there that they can actively talk about it. typically after the pre-orders come due and the game has hit the market. some places like IGN get exclusive time-frame reviews where they can put up a review a week before anybody else. like the game company is gonna let that review go up if its anything other than favorable.

 

[Rekkapryde]

these "professional" game journalist can't say or do what they want they have to get in line with the publisher's agenda. at least if you work for a newspaper and review a movie there's more money involved than just the movie studios going to that paper that employs you.

If a Grand Theft Auto game comes out and it's decent at best like GTA4 they'll give it 9s and 10s because they have to. the review outlet can't afford to burn that bridge. we saw what happened at Gamespot when Jeff Gerstmann tried to go against the all mighty publisher.

you have crap like embargoes where they give them a product and stamp a date on there that they can actively talk about it. typically after the pre-orders come due and the game has hit the market. some places like IGN get exclusive time-frame reviews where they can put up a review a week before anybody else. like the game company is gonna let that review go up if its anything other than favorable.

preach on...videogamer journalism is a complete joke. These big sites don't have the balls to shyt on most AAA games that deserve it.

 

[winb83]

preach on...videogamer journalism is a complete joke. These big sites don't have the balls to shyt on most AAA games that deserve it.

I don't even know why a place like NeoGAF acknowledges any game journalism when these journalist are the same people that browse that forum and pluck the news stories they do from there more than half the time not even giving them credit.

Who wouldn't want that job? Steal news from internet message forums and play free video games that publishers give you all day for a living. and you can let this guy be the face of your company and look like a fool sitting next to a bunch of junk food like it owns him.

 

[Why-Fi]

these "professional" game journalist can't say or do what they want they have to get in line with the publisher's agenda. at least if you work for a newspaper and review a movie there's more money involved than just the movie studios going to that paper that employs you.

If a Grand Theft Auto game comes out and it's decent at best like GTA4 they'll give it 9s and 10s because they have to. the review outlet can't afford to burn that bridge. we saw what happened at Gamespot when Jeff Gerstmann tried to go against the all mighty publisher.

you have crap like embargoes where they give them a product and stamp a date on there that they can actively talk about it. typically after the pre-orders come due and the game has hit the market. some places like IGN get exclusive time-frame reviews where they can put up a review a week before anybody else. like the game company is gonna let that review go up if its anything other than favorable.

i always wondered...what is the real consequence for breaking embargo? its not like its illegal

 

[winb83]

i always wondered...what is the real consequence for breaking embargo? its not like its illegal

What ever publisher that put that game out would possibly no longer provide free material for review. The outlet would have to acquire the games from that publisher for review themselves by purchasing them after they hit retail. obviously that would mean publishing the review a week or more out from the release date which would result in less views and lower ad revenue. a downward spiral.

the embargo is the publisher giving the review outlet free stuff before the release date to play and review with the agreement that they won't publish the review until the date the publisher specifies.

 

[Responsible Allen Iverson]

Have any posters here ever done anything in games writing, podcasting, videos, etc?

 

[King Sun]

Have any posters here ever done anything in games writing, podcasting, videos, etc?

No but I feel like we should though . We actually might be on to something

 

[Why-Fi]

What ever publisher that put that game out would possibly no longer provide free material for review. The outlet would have to acquire the games from that publisher for review themselves by purchasing them after they hit retail. obviously that would mean publishing the review a week or more out from the release date which would result in less views and lower ad revenue. a downward spiral.

the embargo is the publisher giving the review outlet free stuff before the release date to play and review with the agreement that they won't publish the review until the date the publisher specifies.

that tells you everything you need to know right there...smh