Gas attack in Syria kills dozens: US forces launch strike on Shayrat Airbase in Homs (4+ dead)

[smitty22]

Damn ... Trump response gonna be interesting seeing how they just said they have no interest in removing Assad.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

is there still a red line?

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Damn ... @FAH1223 response gonna be interesting seeing how they just said they have no interest in removing Assad.

 

[How Sway?]

A suspected chemical attack in a town in Syria's rebel-held northern Idlib province killed dozens of people on Tuesday, opposition activists said, describing the attack as among the worst in the country's six-year civil war.


Hours later, a small field hospital in the region was struck and destroyed, according to a civil defense worker in the area. There was no information if anyone was killed in that attack.

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews....activists-dead-idlib-chemical-attack-46562135

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

War crime

 

[FAH1223]

From what I'm reading, this is my read of the situation.

It seems that whenever an offensive fails for the rebel side, there seems to be some kind of CW attack.

They were pushed back in the Hama countryside last week and the Russians bombed at the Turkish border.

The RUssians confirmed they didn't do this particular air strike in Idlib.

The Syrian Army confirmed the strike.
Syrian Air Force says they targeted a weapons factory in Khan sheikhoun.

Hayet Tahrir Sham (Al Qaeda), the strongest group rebel in Idlib, says they saw Su-22.

If what was uncovered in East Aleppo after the December govt re takeover is a trend, I'd say that the rebel groups are storing chemicals mainly chlorine (imported from Turkey) in their weapons storage.

The Syrian Air Force blew it up and the agents spread through the village where you have the injuries and death.

Idlib is an exclusively rebel held province. You've had infighting among the groups especially Al Qaeda which has managed to get almost various opposition fighters to fight on their terms.. The Syrian army retreated 2 years ago before the Russian intervention. What's happened in Syria is as the government re-takes territory, they bus opposition fighters unarmed to Idlib. Almost as if to put every type of rebel in one place before they try to fight them all due to the Syrian army's lack of manpower.

From a tactical standpoint, I don't see why the SAA would use chemical weapons when they have the upper hand in the war. Obama and Putin also managed to get that deal in 2013-14 where UN inspectors took the regime chemical stock out of the country. Obviously,there are questions of if that was the whole thing.

Syria is such a fukked situation.

 

[thatrapsfan]

From what I'm reading, this is my read of the situation.

It seems that whenever an offensive fails for the rebel side, there seems to be some kind of CW attack.

They were pushed back in the Hama countryside last week and the Russians bombed at the Turkish border.

The RUssians confirmed they didn't do this particular air strike in Idlib.

The Syrian Army confirmed the strike.
Syrian Air Force says they targeted a weapons factory in Khan sheikhoun.

Hayet Tahrir Sham (Al Qaeda), the strongest group rebel in Idlib, says they saw Su-22.

If what was uncovered in East Aleppo after the December govt re takeover is a trend, I'd say that the rebel groups are storing chemicals mainly chlorine (imported from Turkey) in their weapons storage.

The Syrian Air Force blew it up and the agents spread through the village where you have the injuries and death.

Idlib is an exclusively rebel held province. You've had infighting among the groups especially Al Qaeda which has managed to get almost various opposition fighters to fight on their terms.. The Syrian army retreated 2 years ago before the Russian intervention. What's happened in Syria is as the government re-takes territory, they bus opposition fighters unarmed to Idlib. Almost as if to put every type of rebel in one place before they try to fight them all due to the Syrian army's lack of manpower.

From a tactical standpoint, I don't see why the SAA would use chemical weapons when they have the upper hand in the war. Obama and Putin also managed to get that deal in 2013-14 where UN inspectors took the regime chemical stock out of the country. Obviously,there are questions of if that was the whole thing.

Syria is such a fukked situation.

So you're saying it was staged essentially Its suspected that they managed to maintain at least 10 percent of their chemical weapon stock. This tactical logic seems to suggest the SAA will follow conventional laws of war when they have the upper hand, when time and time we've seen that they dont. That logic was also applied to previously contested attacks, yet its crickets when the UN Syria COI corroborates original claims. There's little reason to give them the benefit of the doubt either tactically or morally.

Remember this one?

The logic then was why would it make tactical sense for SAA to bomb water supply that also connects to regime areas.

 

[MVike28]

From what I'm reading, this is my read of the situation.

It seems that whenever an offensive fails for the rebel side, there seems to be some kind of CW attack.

They were pushed back in the Hama countryside last week and the Russians bombed at the Turkish border.

The RUssians confirmed they didn't do this particular air strike in Idlib.

The Syrian Army confirmed the strike.
Syrian Air Force says they targeted a weapons factory in Khan sheikhoun.

Hayet Tahrir Sham (Al Qaeda), the strongest group rebel in Idlib, says they saw Su-22.

If what was uncovered in East Aleppo after the December govt re takeover is a trend, I'd say that the rebel groups are storing chemicals mainly chlorine (imported from Turkey) in their weapons storage.

The Syrian Air Force blew it up and the agents spread through the village where you have the injuries and death.

Idlib is an exclusively rebel held province. You've had infighting among the groups especially Al Qaeda which has managed to get almost various opposition fighters to fight on their terms.. The Syrian army retreated 2 years ago before the Russian intervention. What's happened in Syria is as the government re-takes territory, they bus opposition fighters unarmed to Idlib. Almost as if to put every type of rebel in one place before they try to fight them all due to the Syrian army's lack of manpower.

From a tactical standpoint, I don't see why the SAA would use chemical weapons when they have the upper hand in the war. Obama and Putin also managed to get that deal in 2013-14 where UN inspectors took the regime chemical stock out of the country. Obviously,there are questions of if that was the whole thing.

Syria is such a fukked situation.

Breh are you really qualifying an angle that gives Assad and Russia the benefit of the doubt?

Yo since the election you've been on one breh wallahi

 

[thatrapsfan]

In another incident, it said a Sukhoi-22 jet dropped four bombs on a school complex in opposition-held territory in October. As aid workers arrived, a second Sukhoi dropped four more. In all, 21 children and 15 adults died and 114 others were wounded.

Syria's ally Russia denied the attack took place, the report said, but evidence from witnesses, photos, satellite imagery and bomb fragments confirmed Syrian government involvement.


"There are reasonable grounds to believe that the Syrian Air Force deliberately targeted the Haas schools complex," it said.

On Feb. 1, aircraft - most likely Syrian or Russian - bombed the longstanding and well-marked headquarters of the Syrian Arab Red Crescent in the town of Idlib, the report said.

@FAH1223 this also happened in Idlib and corroborated by UN COI. If they're willing to bomb schools and the Red Crescent if there's rebel targets, what makes you skeptical that they will use chemical weapons as well? They clearly do not care about collateral damage.

 

[thatrapsfan]

Also @FAH1223 what's your source that Turkey has been supplying chemical weapons to rebels? The only independently reported claim of chemical weapons outside of Government side has been linked to ISIS developing their own chlorine stock, which is much less damaging than sarin that SAA has.



Edit:

So you got this idea from Al-Masdar

 

[MVike28]

Also @FAH1223 what's your source that Turkey has been supplying chemical weapons to rebels? The only independently reported claim of chemical weapons outside of Government side has been linked to ISIS developing their own chlorine stock, which is much less damaging than sarin that SAA has.



Edit:

So you got this idea from Al-Masdar

Evolve into a

brehs @FAH1223

 

[FAH1223]

So you're saying it was staged essentially Its suspected that they managed to maintain at least 10 percent of their chemical weapon stock. This tactical logic seems to suggest the SAA will follow conventional laws of war when they have the upper hand, when time and time we've seen that they dont. That logic was also applied to previously contested attacks, yet its crickets when the UN Syria COI corroborates original claims. There's little reason to give them the benefit of the doubt either tactically or morally.

Remember this one?

The logic then was why would it make tactical sense for SAA to bomb water supply that also connects to regime areas.

They did bomb Wadi Barada. After the water was poisoned in late December and cut Damascus off.

Rebels blamed for 'poisoning' Damascus water

As far as it being staged, I won't go that far like some other people. I am very suspicious of the Civil Defence from Gaziantep.

In another incident, it said a Sukhoi-22 jet dropped four bombs on a school complex in opposition-held territory in October. As aid workers arrived, a second Sukhoi dropped four more. In all, 21 children and 15 adults died and 114 others were wounded.

Syria's ally Russia denied the attack took place, the report said, but evidence from witnesses, photos, satellite imagery and bomb fragments confirmed Syrian government involvement.

"There are reasonable grounds to believe that the Syrian Air Force deliberately targeted the Haas schools complex," it said.

On Feb. 1, aircraft - most likely Syrian or Russian - bombed the longstanding and well-marked headquarters of the Syrian Arab Red Crescent in the town of Idlib, the report said.

@FAH1223 this also happened in Idlib and corroborated by UN COI. If they're willing to bomb schools and the Red Crescent if there's rebel targets, what makes you skeptical that they will use chemical weapons as well? They clearly do not care about collateral damage.

All I'm saying is that the various rebel groups have used chemical weapons. And they have them stored at their weapons depot.

What I think happened is the SyAF bombed the depot and brought about the gas that way.

 

[FAH1223]

Also @FAH1223 what's your source that Turkey has been supplying chemical weapons to rebels? The only independently reported claim of chemical weapons outside of Government side has been linked to ISIS developing their own chlorine stock, which is much less damaging than sarin that SAA has.



Edit:

So you got this idea from Al-Masdar

Lol, I didn't look at Al-Masdar

I was going off by images I saw from back in December of when East Aleppo was evacuated and the supplies uncovered where there was chlorine, weapons boxes (with USA/Saudi insignia), etc.

 

[thatrapsfan]

They did bomb Wadi Barada. After the water was poisoned in late December and cut Damascus off.

Rebels blamed for 'poisoning' Damascus water

As far as it being staged, I won't go that far like some other people. I am very suspicious of the Civil Defence from Gaziantep.



All I'm saying is that the various rebel groups have used chemical weapons. And they have them stored at their weapons depot.

What I think happened is the SyAF bombed the depot and brought about the gas that way.

No they didnt poison the water. The UN COI (which is as independent as you can get on Syria) found those claims to be invented. BTW the regime and their supporters love to cite the UN COI when it corroborates their claims, but ignore it when it doesnt.

Here is the wording from their report on the water supply:


The commission said it had found no evidence of deliberate contamination of the water supply or demolition by armed groups, as the Syrian government maintained at the time.

Rebels had controlled the springs of the Wadi Barada valley, northwest of Damascus since 2012 and faced a major offensive by Syrian government forces and their allies, despite a ceasefire deal. The rebels withdrew at the end of January.

The commission, led by Brazilian investigator Paulo Pinheiro, said there were no reports of people suffering water contamination on or before Dec. 23, when the Syrian air force hit al-Fija spring with at least two air strikes.

"While the presence of armed group fighters at (the) spring constituted a military target, the extensive damage inflicted to the spring had a devastating impact on more than five million civilians in both government and opposition controlled areas who were deprived of regular access to potable water for over one month," the commission's report said.

 

[Serious]

Smh