Gender is not a social construct, free daps and reps

[MostReal]

No such thing as most evolved.

What makes a toucan more or less evolved than a bald eagle? What makes a chimp more evolved than a baboon? Nothing...they are all evolved to survive and thrive in their habitat.

If only this was the real definition

 

[Ironman]

Somebody holla at that demonic cave bytch Charlize Theron

 

[Black Magisterialness]

i forgot this one

If testosterone steers a person to any behavior associated with the "gender role" male then you're pretty much wrong Keep in mind the study suggests biological traits steered the children toward toys/activities associated with their gender.

Only thing in terms of behavior testosterone does is raise levels of aggression. We, as societies, ascribed that as inherently male. So I'm aware that the biological factors have guided and helped define our social constructs, sure. But that doesn't mean that they aren't still social constructs.

The gender norms came after the sexual norms not the other way around. If it did then I'd totally rock with your point. We made up shyt to reinforce those biological norms. Not the biological norms came after we created gender roles.

That's my only point. If enough of the world came out and said "Men cleaning the house is manly " or "women fighting wars should be the norm" and did it for hundreds of years then it would become a norm. Totally outside of testosterone/estrogen levels.

Example, It is inherently masculine in western society to have multiple sexual partners. For the most part that is accepted, and in some cases lauded. So much so that for a female to do so is considered loosed and unfit. Not for any reason other than she's participating in an inherently masculine behavior. That has absolutely nothing to do with her biological sex and EVERYTHING to do with gender social norms and what is expected of her. Some of these norms have nothing to do with biological sex, perhaps it did when we were hunter gatherers or had a warrior class...but these norms for the most part are archaic.

A simple google search will answer this shyt for you breh...

"Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs. Gender describes the characteristics that a society or culture delineates as masculine or feminine."

And transsexuals change their BIOLOGICAL sex to align with their internal gender. Again, not something that's hard to understand.

 

[Black Nate Grey]

I agree with the premise that gender neutral child rearing isn't ideal. Especially for black children.

But isn't there a difference between sex and gender?

 

[Kenny West]

Only thing in terms of behavior testosterone does is raise levels of aggression. We, as societies, ascribed that as inherently male. So I'm aware that the biological factors have guided and helped define our social constructs, sure. But that doesn't mean that they aren't still social constructs.

The gender norms came after the sexual norms not the other way around. If it did then I'd totally rock with your point. We made up shyt to reinforce those biological norms. Not the biological norms came after we created gender roles.

That's my only point. If enough of the world came out and said "Men cleaning the house is manly " or "women fighting wars should be the norm" and did it for hundreds of years then it would become a norm. Totally outside of testosterone/estrogen levels.

Example, It is inherently masculine in western society to have multiple sexual partners. For the most part that is accepted, and in some cases lauded. So much so that for a female to do so is considered loosed and unfit. Not for any reason other than she's participating in an inherently masculine behavior. That has absolutely nothing to do with her biological sex and EVERYTHING to do with gender social norms and what is expected of her. Some of these norms have nothing to do with biological sex, perhaps it did when we were hunter gatherers or had a warrior class...but these norms for the most part are archaic.

A simple google search will answer this shyt for you breh...

"Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs. Gender describes the characteristics that a society or culture delineates as masculine or feminine."

And transsexuals change their BIOLOGICAL sex to align with their internal gender. Again, not something that's hard to understand.

You can google it all you want, I don't accept the line of thought that created the separation between terms. If you're not 25 or younger then you know those two terms didn't begin to be pushed as separate until recently.

A woman can only participate in the "masculine" activity of having multiple sex partners due to advancements in birth control and the comforts of modern society to live "independently" even in dependent states like pregnancy or post birth. Even without being pregnant it would be difficult for a woman to survive the natural world completely on their own (the one your body has the most adaptation to, not modern civilization) Their "gender role" is aligned with their sex naturally because without technology undermining nature a promiscuous woman could not survive the world without the commitment of a man. technology and society undermines "gender constructs" (women living "independently" raising children alone) the same as "biological constructs" (transsexuality). Because gender and sex are the same

And this is all backed up by the fact that mate guarding instincts are NATURALLY found in humans
Jealousy and Mate-Guarding

So even if you "decide" your gender to be a female you'll never have the brain chemistry or the instincts inherent in conduct that occurs naturally in females. It is all delusion new age sociologists underestimate the presence of instinct in general, they think they can just reframe reality as they see fit which is why I won't accept the gender/sex distinction

Gender social constructs are all derivative from sex/"biological construct". Because gender and sex is the same.


Also are you going to list the gender traits that society created that have no link to biological factors at all? I'm waiting.

 

[Kenny West]

If only this was the real definition

There are multiple definitions to the word, this is the only one to apply to sentient life overall


ev·o·lu·tion
ˌevəˈlo͞oSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.

Also don't think I don't know what you're trying to do. you aint slick

 

[MostReal]

There are multiple definitions to the word, this is the only one to apply to sentient life overall


ev·o·lu·tion
ˌevəˈlo͞oSH(ə)n/
noun

1. 1.
   the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.

Also don't think I don't know what you're trying to do. you aint slick

I don't subscribe to the term evolution

 

[Black Magisterialness]

You can google it all you want, I don't accept the line of thought that created the separation between terms. If you're not 25 or younger then you know those two terms didn't begin to be pushed as separate until recently.

.

Then why are you arguing with me?


Why engage in conversation if you can't even accept that fundamental, scientific truth.


Sex and Gender are the same, thats cool check out Mr. #AlternativeFacts @Kenny West over here

I have nothing more to say to you bro.

 

[Kenny West]

Then why are you arguing with me?


Why engage in conversation if you can't even accept that fundamental, scientific truth.


Sex and Gender are the same, thats cool check out Mr. #AlternativeFacts @Kenny West over here

I have nothing more to say to you bro.

It's not a scientific truth at all, it's a sociological theory. And attempts to legitimize the theory (gender neutral parenting) thus far have failed. This shyt has not been proven, nature vs nuture has never been settled at all in any capacity.

Are you really going to tout around something as fact while being unable to understand the concept deeply enough to explain it? If gender and sex are different you should be able to provide examples of "gender" that are independent of "sex". But three post and counting you haven't attempted to do so.

If you don't know any, why are you so confident in assertion? because you read it in a book or heard it in school? You're falling for the appeal to authority fallacy. Textbook makers were going to have history textbooks say african slaves were "migrant workers", you have to be old enough to know people can change the narratives.


Here is webster dictionary 1828 definition of gender, the most complete and valid one imo. The bold part on #3 is especially important it denotes that the word "gender" has always and originally been used to refer to sex.

Websters Dictionary 1828 - Webster's Dictionary 1828 - gender

:
Gender
GEN'DER, noun [Latin genus, from geno, gigno; Gr.to beget, or to be born; Eng. kind. Gr. a woman, a wife; Sans. gena, a wife, and genaga, a father. We have begin from the same root. See Begin and Can.]

1. Properly, kind; sort.

2. A sex, male or female. Hence,

3. In grammar, a difference in words to express distinction of sex; usually a difference of termination in nouns, adjectives and participles, to express the distinction of male and female. But although this was the original design of different terminations, yet in the progress of language, other words having no relation to one sex or the other, came to have genders assigned them by custom. Words expressing males are said to be of the masculine gender; those expressing females, of the feminine gender; and in some languages, words expressing things having no sex, are of the neuter or neither gender

and for bonus points here is the 1913 defintion

Webster's 1913 Dictionary


Gen´der Pronunciation: jĕn´dẽr
n. 1.
1. Kind; sort.
2. Sex, male or female.
3. (Gram.) A classification of nouns, primarily according to sex; and secondarily according to some fancied or imputed quality associated with sex.
Gender is a grammatical distinction and applies to words only. Sex is natural distinctionand applies to living objects.
- R. Morris.




vs the 2017 definition

the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
"traditional concepts of gender"

So what was the groundbreaking famous study that necessitated all the modern definitions of gender to have the disclaimer "it does not refer to biological differences"? Why does the modern definitions exclude the associations with sex, when was this proven? Usually when things get accepted as scientific fact it makes bigger headlines, I don't think the theory of evolution flew under the radar like this

Can you name the experiments or examples that prove your assertions? hell anything? and you got the nerve to be clowning

 

[shhh-kull & bones]

Then why are you arguing with me?


Why engage in conversation if you can't even accept that fundamental, scientific truth.


Sex and Gender are the same, thats cool check out Mr. #AlternativeFacts @Kenny West over here

I have nothing more to say to you bro.

so biology, anatomy, genetics and sciense for that matter is nothing but alternative facts to yall queer-pedo-cacs now...damn

wow no wonder yall out here clowning and acting a fool


well yall aint gonna get over with that slick shyt here no more in 2017 the jig is up

 

[Ashley Banks]

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[Kenny West]

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[Roch]

Without diving too deep into this convo, there is some societal impact on what is considered masculine and feminine behavior. So while sex/gender may be binary, and hormonal differences in utero can alter the girliness of men or the manliness of women, the manifestation of that binary in a societal setting varies from group to group.

There are cultures that advocate pubescent boys ingesting the semen of the strongest men in the tribe so they can grow to be strong men, women are not to ingest semen (orally) out of fear of becoming men. Homo shyt to outsiders , manly and masculine to them.

 

[Kenny West]

Without diving too deep into this convo, there is some societal impact on what is considered masculine and feminine behavior. So while sex/gender may be binary, and hormonal differences in utero can alter the girliness of men or the manliness of women, the manifestation of that binary in a societal setting varies from group to group.

There are cultures that advocate pubescent boys ingesting the semen of the strongest men in the tribe so they can grow to be strong men, women are not to ingest semen (orally) out of fear of becoming men. Homo shyt to outsiders , manly and masculine to them.

I agree with this much in the bolded but this is pretty much where the validity of gender being a social construct begin and end with me.

As for the underlined it's impossible to measure how much impact is "some" but the times we live in give me reason to believe that impact is far less than natural factors. We just lived through the all out media blitz of this agenda and yet for all the propaganda I don't think people, both in the US and globally as a whole have moved off of or redefined their ideas of gender binary. It's why I find it hella intresting that even people with more fluid ideas about gender like lesbians assume, the strict male-female relationship dynamic or how people will perceive individuals/ behavior as masculine and feminine without anyone actually having to state what makes it so. We just feel it. That's natural.


I think that impact is less societal and more linguistic. The beginning of gender being misapplied outside of sex begins in language. Even in spanish and latin, words are given masculine and feminine attributes. Even adjectives like "ugly" in spanish have masculine and feminine conjugation (feo and fea). However the application of these words are still linked to biological sex (you'd only use the word "fea" to call someone ugly when the context of the sentence suggests you're talking about a female)

And even in English gender gets applied to terms without true sexual distinctions like jobs, activities, clothes, colors etc. But the distinctions are all derived based on commonality/assumed suitability to biological sex. ("girl jobs, manly activities, girl clothes, boy colors") This is what the "gender is a social construct" lie was weaved from. There is never a time of construction for gender roles, it's all derivative from sex. People spun the liberal use of the word gender on non sex based concepts into the feminst mythos of gender roles being made for the sole purpose of restricting women