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It's the world we live in?? Frankly your arrogance and dismissiveness encapsulates why Dems ran a losing campaign

It's clear multi-touch media strategy is in a party's best interest. especially in a Presidential election when you have a particular newer facet of media averaging tens of millions of views per episode

And John Fetterman did a long form Rogan show right before the election. so if we're gonna send a Dem foot soldier over there at least let it be Mayor Pete who already does the Fox News guest circuit & articulates progressive talking points literally better than anybody

and it's not about swaying Joe Rogan base, it's to offer a reasonable counterpoint to his audience. Mayor Pete is perfect that. it doesn't flip a ton of votes so much as it balances out the heavy right wing message they get week over week. there's value in that especially if we want to play the long game and appeal to these 18-29 year old males as they "mature" through the next few election cycles. god forbid Walz goes on Theo Von podcast and is likable for an hour
I see, so instead of promoting things like reading the voting records for politicians, learning what platform means and investigating that for politicians, realizing what your own self interests are and going with the people who makes those things happen etc, bad. But instead everyone should cater to either bad faith actors or people using social media to make money instead. Because you know people have short attention spans and would rather listen to a stranger tell them what to do in a short form video. And if I point any of that out, I'm being arrogant and dismissive. If you do not see the faulty reasoning within that type of mindset, then continue to watch the fall of the American empire.
 

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I see, so instead of promoting things like reading the voting records for politicians, learning what platform means and investigating that for politicians, realizing what your own self interests are and going with the people who makes those things happen etc, bad. But instead everyone should cater to either bad faith actors or people using social media to make money instead. Because you know people have short attention spans and would rather listen to a stranger tell them what to do in a short form video. And if I point any of that out, I'm being arrogant and dismissive. If you do not see the faulty reasoning within that type of mindset, then continue to watch the fall of the American empire.

Dems ran such a brilliant campaign that they lost to a 78 year old convicted felon who staged a coup & was screaming about people eating cats and dogs at the debate

Let's run that back in 2028 and ignore how most young voters consume media. Good idea sir
 
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Dems ran such a brilliant campaign that they lost to a 78 year old convicted felon who staged a coup & was screaming about people eating cats and dogs at the debate

Let's run that back in 2028 and ignore how most young voters consume media. Good idea sir
So instead addressing any of the points I said, you resort to Dems bad. You got it, have a nice day sir.
 

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Dems ran such a brilliant campaign that they lost to a 78 year old convicted felon who staged a coup & was screaming about people eating cats and dogs at the debate

Let's run that back in 2028 and ignore how most young voters consume media. Good idea sir
While I agreebwith you they should be going on podcast, its however useless since they aren't adding anything to the conversation. If they aren't going to go on podcast throwing the dem establishment under the bus, making a stand on the border, israel, something like Medicare 4 all etc its useless. No one wants to listen to some establishment drone with stale pit buttigeg talking point .
 

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I've been saying that since last November. They should've been running commercials nonstop in every swing state with the image of trump and Epstein and the quote about Epstein liking them young and have a teenage girl read the voice over. No music no flashing graphics. Just that. The dems dropped the ball so badly

It wouldn't have lost Trump a single vote. People still don't get that this is a cult. :francis:
 

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It wouldn't have lost Trump a single vote. People still don't get that this is a cult. :francis:
It wouldn't have due the ecomomy being dog shyt but it probably would have saved some candidates down ballot
 

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Von and Rogan were both big Trump supporters, so you think Kamala spending an hour with right-leaning conspiracy playground podcasters would have done what exactly for her at the polls? As they bounce questions off her in regards to 2020 election results, Biden's health, covid lockdowns and vaccines.

Kamala wasn't winning any regular listeners of either of these shows over by appearing on them, their mind was already made up.

Campaign needed to maximize their time and message with existing Dem and likely Dem voters - they failed to effectively do that. But that outcome wouldn't have been swayed with sitting down with Rogan.
lol, so why did they have Liz Cheney stumping for them? Rogan nor Theo grill people who come onto their podcasts. Why did they need to maximize their time with people already voting Democrat? The key to winning is swing voters
 

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It's the world we live in?? Frankly your arrogance and dismissiveness encapsulates why Dems ran a losing campaign

It's clear multi-touch media strategy is in a party's best interest. especially in a Presidential election when you have a particular newer facet of media averaging tens of millions of views per episode

And John Fetterman did a long form Rogan show right before the election. so if we're gonna send a Dem foot soldier over there at least let it be Mayor Pete who already does the Fox News guest circuit & articulates progressive talking points literally better than anybody

and it's not about swaying Joe Rogan base, it's to offer a reasonable counterpoint to his audience. Mayor Pete is perfect that. it doesn't flip a ton of votes so much as it balances out the heavy right wing message they get week over week. there's value in that especially if we want to play the long game and appeal to these 18-29 year old males as they "mature" through the next few election cycles. god forbid Walz goes on Theo Von podcast and is likable for an hour
100%

again—Dems allowed right wing trumpism to dominate online messaging which is consumed by far more people than television or fukking knocking on doors. Trump and Vance were all over the most popular podcasts, doing shyt with random zoomer twitch streamers etc.

The democrats got schooled in political campaigns by fukking Baron Trump and a bunch of y’all still don’t get why it was important for her to do these types of things
 

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Dems ran such a brilliant campaign that they lost to a 78 year old convicted felon who staged a coup & was screaming about people eating cats and dogs at the debate

Let's run that back in 2028 and ignore how most young voters consume media. Good idea sir
Twice impeached rapist pedophile too. Brilliant campaign, there’s nothing they could’ve done :yeshrug:
 

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lol, so why did they have Liz Cheney stumping for them? Rogan nor Theo grill people who come onto their podcasts. Why did they need to maximize their time with people already voting Democrat? The key to winning is swing voters
Looking at the results it looks like their own voters didnt vote for them either. Not only did they lose swing voters, they also lost once guaranteed coalitions
 

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Looking at the results it looks like their own voters didnt vote for them either. Not only did they lose swing voters, they also lost once guaranteed coalitions
Yep -- and I'm fairly certain Trump & Netanyahu were literally colluding to escalate the genocide while Joe was still president. You're telling me he had zero intelligence on this from the CIA?

these long form podcast interviews HUMANIZE these obscure politicians. If people are worried that Kamala couldn't fukking handle Joe Rogan how the hell is she going to handle being President? I hate this Orange fukk and JD Vance, but I remember watching like 10-20 minutes of JD on Theo Von and I was literally like "Wow, he actually seems way more normal than I thought" before I turned it off. Imagine if they did a podcast blitz with Kamala, Pete, Walz and then let that shyt marinate for a bit and then they have Obama go on Rogan

Maybe it doesn't change the outcome at all, but the fact that they didn't even attempt this just shows how fukking shyt her campaign was ran, how arrogant they are and how disconnected they are.
 

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lol, so why did they have Liz Cheney stumping for them? Rogan nor Theo grill people who come onto their podcasts. Why did they need to maximize their time with people already voting Democrat? The key to winning is swing voters
You literally answered your own question, Cheney aligned with never Trumpers and swing voters.

It's not about grilling, you go on the show to reach the audience, if the audience is decisively voting one way with less than 3 months to the election, you maximize your time elsewhere.

You spend time with democratic voters to ensure they get to the polls and can influence others to get to the polls. Being a life long voting democrat doesn't mean anything if you don't cast a ballot.

Which party do you think an overwhelming majority of those swing voters identify with? That's right, that's why you have a Cheney stomping for you.

Y'all have to stop being selectively short sighted.
 

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Yep -- and I'm fairly certain Trump & Netanyahu were literally colluding to escalate the genocide while Joe was still president. You're telling me he had zero intelligence on this from the CIA?

these long form podcast interviews HUMANIZE these obscure politicians. If people are worried that Kamala couldn't fukking handle Joe Rogan how the hell is she going to handle being President? I hate this Orange fukk and JD Vance, but I remember watching like 10-20 minutes of JD on Theo Von and I was literally like "Wow, he actually seems way more normal than I thought" before I turned it off. Imagine if they did a podcast blitz with Kamala, Pete, Walz and then let that shyt marinate for a bit and then they have Obama go on Rogan

Maybe it doesn't change the outcome at all, but the fact that they didn't even attempt this just shows how fukking shyt her campaign was ran, how arrogant they are and how disconnected they are.
While the bolded would be great i am however of the mindset that none of these people outside of walz are whom you'd want to go on a podcast representing regular people. That's the real problem with the democratic party, it comes off as some elitist boys/girls club that is profoundly out of touch with everyday people. None of the bolded truly understands what everyday people are going through and what they desire outside of means tested talking points. Say what you want about trump, he actually knows how to go off script and seem human unlike someone like Pete buttigeg whom comes off like what he was , a political adviser. These people have been stuck in their little DC bubble for too long and it has progressively started to show more and more
 
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