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no, they didn't want trump. they wanted a return to the costs of the pre-covid economy

biden and kamala failed, because they refused to say "i inherited a disaster, after trump destroyed the economy". they just never said it. so people were unimpressed with their inability to articulate why people should be happy with the post-covid economy

it was a tough spot to be in, messaging wise. but they could have been better
Trump showed you can actually close illegal migration across the border. I’m shocked it worked too.
 

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There's a difference between using multi-platform strategy wisely and sending someone into a space that has been openly hostile. During the election, Rogan was posting memes of Kamala in a prison jumpsuit, ffs. That's not neutral, it's malicious. These people don't engage in good faith.

Dems can do outreach to young men without handing credibility to people who helped build the smear machine in the first place.

I know some people will say, "Well, that's why Dems should go on regularly," but that misses the power dynamic. These hosts aren't interested in a balanced, recurring presence -- they platform disinformation weekly, and any "nice Democrat" moment becomes a token exception, not a new norm. Remember, the hosts set the tone, not the guests.

That's why you don't change a space by being polite in it, you change it when the platform itself is committed to honest engagement. And that's not what's happening here. These audiences aren't looking for a political conversion; they're there for confirmation, entertainment, and tribal validation. And unless that changes, playing court jester to an openly hostile crowd is only self-sabotage. We've seen this happen with Newsome. He thought being buddy buddy with, and appearing alongside these people, would change something, but all it did was serve to provide them with content to further their agenda.

Instead of sending Dems into hostile podcast spaces hoping to be "likable," they should invest in building long-form, engaging content that respects nuance and treats the audience like they have brains. Of course you have to compete on authenticity, but you have to do it on your own terms. You're not going to get that with people like Rogan.

And yeah, I get that these shows have massive reach, but reach doesn't mean influence if your message is drowned out by the usual noise. The real long game should be about shifting people's media environments, not dropping guests into "enemy territory." If Dems want to reach disillusioned young men, they need to show up where those guys are questioning things, not where they're doubling down.

Honestly, we should also be questioning why podcasts like Rogan's get to be the arbiters of legitimacy for candidates. Why is it always Dems who have to prove themselves to spaces that openly mock them and help promote these false narratives? We have to stop treating this like it's simple media strategy, when it is more akin to asymmetric warfare. These people need to be interrogated for once.

Long-term, the goal shouldn't be win Rogan's audience, it should be to cultivate culture and spaces that reach young men before they get swept into reactionary pipelines. And that means going outside -- that means youth-focused economic messaging, pro-labor content, smart creators who talk policy without condescension -- and yes, you can work in humor too.
Kamala can’t have an unfiltered media appearance without jumping through metal rhetorical hoops. She CAN. NOT. DO. IT.

As a senator, she was fine. Whoever she became after running for president in 2020 is unrecognizable.
 

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Trump showed you can actually close illegal migration across the border. I’m shocked it worked too.
all that bullshyt last year about the bipartisan immigration bill that "we needed". turned out we just needed a president who wasn't weak and incompetent

pretty humiliating, tbh. trump is better on the issue than democrats, and it isn't even close
 

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In my previous post I specifically said I didn’t like the idea of Kamala going on Joe Rogan for that reason. It was a trap and beneath her.

But that doesn’t mean you ignore the man-o-sphere channels completely. You find another person in the space that is more amicable, like a Theo Von and dip your toes in it. At least get Andy Beshear or Jon Ossoff out there talking to that audience. Do something.

Rogan just had a liberal State Senator on there from Texas on his show and said the guy should run for President. Like a week ago. He’s a chameleon and not really steadfast in any of his beliefs. Rogan even refused to endorse Trump and didn’t want him on his show until Trump’s campaign basically courted him, knowing the reach.

Dem’s had a strong VP candidate with crossover appeal (gun owner, veteran, Midwest roots, etc). I tend to think the Rogan audience wouldn’t hate him. The problem is nobody knows how this strategy would have played out because Dems ignored it. We do know Democrats lost the swing vote. We know Rogan, Schulz and Theo Von are already showing voters remorse riding for Trump. Hindsight clearly indicates there was a better way to try tapping into that demographic. Democrat leadership just didn’t care.
Bruh, JD Vance has been pulling up to Red Scare and other alt podcasts and just conservative platforms for years to talk shop and share ideas etc. It’s basic customer service.
 

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That comment sounds more like an indictment of the electorate than of the campaign. Trump didn't win by some clever trick or because Democrats failed to put their message out. He won because millions of people watched a man who attempted a coup, got convicted, rambled about people eating cats and dogs, and *still* decided, "Yup, that's my guy."

The idea that the Democrats didn't provide a counter-narrative is false. The truth was being shouted from the rooftops. People just didn't care. They were given the contrast between authoritarianism and democracy, chaos and stability, cruelty and competence, and they still chose cruelty. That's not a messaging failure. That's a moral failure from the electorate.

And yes, young people consume media differently. But that doesn't mean they aren't responsible for their choices. If you're consuming podcasts and clips where outright lies, conspiracies, and hate are being normalized daily, and you walk away more moved by that than by policies actually aimed at helping you, that's not on the campaign. That's on the consumer.

Look at how many union men voted against their own interests in the face of a person who was advocating union busting out in the open. Look at Teamster leadership getting in bed with the man who helped weaken labor protections in this country vs. the woman who cast the deciding vote to save their pensions. Look at how her policies polled better in a blind test, but were rejected once it was revealed they were hers.

At a certain point, we have to stop pretending everyone is just confused or under-informed. No. Many people are making clear, informed, and frankly reckless choices that reflect their values. They weren't tricked. They want the outrage. They want the circus. And that's the real problem we have to face.

The real failure of the Dems campaign was in turning out key portions of its base, but let's not pretend the people who went out and enthusiastically voted for Trump did so because Democrats failed to reach them. They were reached. They just chose the other side.
Then you have to admit various platform issues-sets and framing are wrong.

We lost the popular vote. You all should humble yourselves and listen to me when I’m telling you various social stances that are killing us but you think capitulating on some of them means we’re returning to gas chambers.
 

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ADOS attacks bled Kamala, ruined Obama’s legacy, and swung black independents either to abstain from voting or endorse Trump.

1. "ADOS" would've attacked any Democrat regardless
2. Black Independents aren't why Kamala lost, she lost because of white and Latino voters going for Trump, and the same would happen to Demings
 

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We lost the popular vote. You all should humble yourselves and listen to me when I’m telling you various social stances that are killing us but you think capitulating on some of them means we’re returning to gas chambers.
progressives can't process this. it's a cult :yeshrug: compromise, pragmatism, common sense, simply reading polls; it doesn't compute to them

they think they can come up with any insane bullshyt they feel like, and anyone who doesn't go along with it is a bad person
 

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1. "ADOS" would've attacked any Democrat regardless
2. Black Independents aren't why Kamala lost, she lost because of white and Latino voters going for Trump, and the same would happen to Demings
Nope. ADOS/FBA wouldn’t have expectations of a white democrat. When it’s a black-adjacent politician, they are extremely hostile to anyone who isn’t seen as unquestionably deferential.

Black turn out was literally down from 2020 AND 2016.
 
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