Geniuses of HL : Let's admit a time we were wrong.

[DEAD7]

You just don't seem to at all get that morality is often subjective.

Morality isn't just a matter of anybody being free to do anything they want regardless of the consequences. A lot of people consider things like excessive income inequality or living in a society where kids go hungry to be moral issues.




We eventually realized what the ultimate outcome of Libertarian economics would be (ie. plutocracy...well, worse plutocracy) and decided that it wasn't desirable.

I disagree with that being the ultimate outcome, and would love to hear how you reached this conclusion. Oh, and @ the fact that what you fear from libertarianism is exactly what we have now.

Spoiler

Morality is subjective(to a degree), but certainly not in the arbitrary way I see it used by democrats.

 

[acri1]

I disagree with that being the ultimate outcome, and would love to hear how you reached this conclusion. Oh, and @ the fact that what you fear from libertarianism is exactly what we have now.

Spoiler

Morality is subjective(to a degree), but certainly not in the arbitrary way I see it used by democrats.

It's no coincidence that inequality starting getting way worse in America right when the Reagan administration (and Reagan's tax reforms that I'm sure you're a fan of) came into power.

I'd say that right there is pretty strong evidence that right-wing economics really just ends up redistributing wealth to the rich. Money is power, so it's essentially giving more political power to the rich as well. The tax policies that Libertarians support are usually much more extreme than what Reagan passed, so it'd be inaccurate to call them anything but plutocracy-encouraging.

 

[DEAD7]

It's no coincidence that inequality starting getting way worse in America right when the Reagan administration (and Reagan's tax reforms that I'm sure you're a fan of) came into power.
I'd say that right there is pretty strong evidence that right-wing economics really just ends up redistributing wealth to the rich. Money is power, so it's essentially giving more political power to the rich as well. The tax policies that Libertarians support are usually much more extreme than what Reagan passed, so it'd be inaccurate to call them anything but plutocracy-encouraging.

Absolutely, but you cant examine one aspect of proposed economic changes independent of the other changes(many being prerequisites for the tax reform in question), or insert those change in a completely different economic models, and claim to have looked closely and reached an accurate conclusion.
What Reagan did was is no shape or form what libertarians advocate. You just see he lowered taxes and think, "that's what libertarians plan to do", and throw us in the same box... it doesn't work that way...

I defend socialism the same way, when it comes up. Just because it sounds and looks a lot like what Stalin did, doesnt mean it is what he did...

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Playing the game is way more important than knowing any particular bit of information. I've had to change the way I look at employment and careers based on this.

So true.

 

[Black smoke and cac jokes]

what's wrong with it?

Why give banks leeway in their attempts to reinvest deposited money? Every business, which banks are, should take on all responsibility associated with the risk of their service.

 

[gho3st]

I was wrong about Barack Obama using his 2nd term to do some real shyt.

i never believed in shyt changing in the first place



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I was wrong in believing the Democrats were automatically the good guys(8yrs under Bush ). Both republicans and democrats aint shyt shyt if you in Congress, you aint shyt

 

[MidwestD]

I thought Ron Paul was what America needed for ~2-3 months

that happened to me for a couple months in the spring of '08.

 

[MidwestD]

I campaigned for, and thought that, the Democratic Party (including our President) would have no choice but to move the country towards the left after the Preemptive strikes/bombings, Torture, Spying, Corporatism, Bailouts, Corruption, Abuse of Powers, Censorship, Immigration stance, and so on. I was wrong and naive. They ended up taking the country to the right on a lot of those issues, and some was done under no threat of Republican or conservative obstruction. It was willfully done. This pushed me further left and has been the source of the biggest ideological shift in my life.

the problem is they are scared of repubs and their negotiation skills are WOAT, they start just a c*nt hair left of center and the result is watered down legislation.

 

[Techniec]

@Techniec I used to think there were cultural reasons for the problems in the Muslim world, and now I attribute it to colonialism due to my readings of Marx and others. Cultural relativism and all that. It's strange how we've come to opposite epiphanies. I stopped being a proud Canadian very very recently too. It's just Harper that did it for me. When he won the Majority it was the first time I felt like the Prime Minister of Canada wouldn't even look at me in the streets. He seems malicious and is generally a dikk in everything he does. We grew up with Chretien who by all accounts seemed like the coolest person ever. He had huge flaws but it was part of the whole "Canada the Cool" to have a Prime Minister like him. He was abrasive, honest (ha!), and stood up to America on Iraq. He really seemed like one of us. Harper's majority to me signifies the end of this thing. He just does not seem like an authentic person, rather he seems like an amalgamation of corporate and monied interests. His crime bill shows this, where there is no spike in crime in Canada, we build billions of dollars worth of prisons. Crime is at its lowest since the 70's. This to me ended my love for Canada.

Harper is an absolute piece of shyt and so are the conservatives but they are so polarizing though, PLENTY of canadians despise them, so I never took Conservative scumbaggery as a reflection of greater Canadian society. Now, post 9/11 Islamphobia on the other hand, yeah Ive sensed it creeping into Canadian mainstream discourse, and its definitely problematic. But honestly bruh, cant take the National Post and Sunmedia comments section personal

Chretien was a boss, favourite Prime Minister ever. Need to shake that mans hand.

 

[DAlbert]

I understood the social engineering of the CIA/FBI/NSA and other unknown government agencies, but I didn't think the media was a huge factor in the brainwashing of black America

boy was I wrong

 

[CAC Dogg]

I thought Ron Paul was what America needed for ~2-3 months

nah, that was the only thing you were right about in your entire life. lol

 

[CAC Dogg]

I thought Ron Paul was what America needed for ~2-3 months

I thought Ron Paul was what America needed for 2-3 months, since then I've been accumulating 12k comments ranting pointlessly about racist white America on thecoli!

 

[CHL]

Thinking thekingsmen was only partially insane.

 

[Blackout]

Thinking Democrats were the good guys.

Its basically choosing between the lesser of the two evils.

 

[Kritic]

I thought Ron Paul was what America needed for 2-3 months, since then I've been accumulating 12k comments ranting pointlessly about racist white America on thecoli!

LMAO my mans ron paul got y'all bent. minus the comment his still the realest nicca out there. shows how bad the rest are.