Geoff : Sources Say Sony May Include Used Game DRM

[Mowgli]

if we're honest with ourselves we have to admit that the industry can't continue to go on the way it is. the beautiful HD graphics that cost millions to produce on the consoles that are sold for hundreds of dollars in losses per console will eventually cannibalize itself out of existence.

Used games is just the latest boogieman but these console makers are basically trying to get all the food on the table so they're eating through the table.

Used games are a pillar that supports the industry but console makers and publishers see it as a faucet they don't control. "Somewhere over there somebody is making money off our copyrighted material and we're not getting a dime from that."

But the truth is they are getting paid off it because when that game gets traded in and that customer rolls that in-store credit into a new game purchase that's them getting paid. in all honesty the amount of money retailers make off a new game sale is minimal but when they sell that used game they make money hand over fist but that money is kinda delayed because they have to up front take the loss on selling the new game they weren't really making jack shyt on to get it.

when a game like Tomb Raider goes on to sell 3 and a half million and barely breaks even that goes to show you the industry is broken. they keep driving the price of new titles higher and higher with every generation. i wouldn't be surprised to see this new one pull in a $69.99 price tag on a new title.

they blame pirates who are mostly poor enough to not be able to afford to buy the product new as if that's a lost sale and they blame used game buyers who are in many cases like pirates and only get access to that used game because somebody bought it new knowing they could sell it and recoup. the industry blames everyone but itself and its broken business model where they spend millions to develop HD games and if a studio flops one release or barely breaks even the studio is dismantled and a new one is brought in with the same budget to try and make the next Call of Duty.

How the fukk you sell 3 mill at 59.99 and break even. I just dont get it.

Edit. They spent 100 million to make Tomb Raider. WHERE DID THE MONEY GO. Stop hiring known voice actors. Dark Souls gets by hiring nobodies with talent.

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

I might not go to work that day

taking a day off from work to stan a console?

 

[Batter Up]

Grasping at straws

 

[infamousred]

sony isn't that stupid...if anything, they'll push it off onto the developers. microsoft is burying itself anyway. all sony has to do, is release the console and it will be over. bill gates must really be trying to see how much money he can piss away.

 

[backbreaker65]

Sony is in a dilemma, Support DRM and lose "X" amount of gamers or not support DRM and lose publishers.

If Sony as has already agreed to in principle stipulations with game makers about DRM fees, it is best they get out in front of the story now and not have it fukk up they're E3 presentation. Take the hit and hopefully wow at E3.

 

[Rain]

They're not gonna lose publishers. Someone like EA can't afford to be skipping out on consoles (Wii U aside). They'll do their own DRM system before deciding to not support the PS4. Not to mention they're not gonna sit back and let a company like Activision eat while they stay on one console.

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[marcuz]

Xbots, be prepared to be even more depressed after E3

 

[marcuz]

Sony is in a dilemma, Support DRM and lose "X" amount of gamers or not support DRM and lose publishers.

If Sony as has already agreed to in principle stipulations with game makers about DRM fees, it is best they get out in front of the story now and not have it fukk up they're E3 presentation. Take the hit and hopefully wow at E3.

i'm left with the feeling sony was planning on implementing most of the features microsoft wants. thing is, they have to see the backlash microsoft is receiving. so if that's the case, they need come clean about it.

 

[up in here]

We may see less 3rd party games on the PS4 if they do that though

Remember that the used games DRM is only in place to help developers

I'm sure they'd resent the fact that Sony wont put a system to help them out when Microsoft did

As a result I'm sure we'd see either less games, more exclusive content on games on the one.. Something.

you think 3rd parties would be willing to say goodbye to games sales on PS4 for used games DRM on Xbone?

I mean I know the used games fee idea is there to benefit publishers but do you think that will make up for what they would lose in sales if they abandon the PS4?

If the consumers gravitate towards PS4 and not the Xbone, do you think 3rd parties will not do the same for the sake of second hand fees?

 

[Big Blue]

Sony is in a dilemma, Support DRM and lose "X" amount of gamers or not support DRM and lose publishers.

If Sony as has already agreed to in principle stipulations with game makers about DRM fees, it is best they get out in front of the story now and not have it fukk up they're E3 presentation. Take the hit and hopefully wow at E3.

The latter will never happen. Publishers would lose a lot more money by not supporting a console than they would by not implementing DRM.

 

[Rekkapryde]

EA will have some sort of DRM on the PS4, you can just write that off as fact.

Again, as long as Sony doesn't do it across the board, we're good (which they already said they will leave it up to publishers).


They've also confirmed there will be total offline support of the PS4 (no internet required to play their games).

We're good.

 

[PS5 Pro]

I might not go to work that day

I might get a job just so I can quit that day

Tweet them..


Shuhei Yoshida (president of worldwide studios) @yosp (easily the highest level person on twitter and quite accessible)

John Koller (head of hardware marketing) @jpkoller (dude has like 150 followers - heh)

Guy Longworth (senior vice president PlayStation Brand Marketing) @luckylongworth
Tweet these people and ask them to be considerate of the consumers.


Scott Rohde (PlayStation Software Product Development Head for Sony Worldwide Studios America) @rohdescott

Also couldn't hurt to let the ex-journos that work there like @nsuttner and @shanewatch

Niggga quit da bloodclot cryin', you think some little sucka azz tweets gonna make a difference On SOHH you would of been crucified for this level of stannery. Here its just considered the norm

There will be some sort of DRM on the PS4 to allow it if the Publisher wants it.

There's no way EA would drop it online passes just for the XB1. There will be something in place to allow publishers to have something on the PS4. As long as it's not on the system end, we'll have to live with it.

How it's implemented on the PS4 will be key. Seeing as how you need an internet connection to even play your Xbox One game over at a friends house is dumb enough, if Sony allows some sort of system to just to be able to play the game without requiring an internet connection will be a win for them.

The one ace Sony still has in their pocket is the 24 hour online check.

The bold is where your delusion begins, and it leads to everything else as pure "Developers get to choose" tell me why a single dev would NOT use DRM if that is what the norm is? As you guys claim, Microsoft doesn't make games. Its only 3rd party. So why would they put something on there system that DEVELOPERS didn't ask for Will the PS4 do the same thing? Easy answer, but a new thread is in order to handle the magnitude of a question like that

Xbox One

@ Loose stealing this shyt straight from NeoGAF

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lol @ you not realizing half the threads from here are stolen straight from NeoGAF

That's what always been(PS3 atleast) and EA is the only company doing that shyt with the season pass EA did say they killed the season pass altogether, so I'm kinda

You already know why you feel that way, but you letting these fanboys cloud your thought process

sony isn't that stupid...if anything, they'll push it off onto the developers. microsoft is burying itself anyway. all sony has to do, is release the console and it will be over. bill gates must really be trying to see how much money he can piss away.

This dude got Rekkaprydes sermon down pat

 

[Mowgli]

Niggga quit da bloodclot cryin', you think some little sucka azz tweets gonna make a difference On SOHH you would of been crucified for this level of stannery. Here its just considered the norm

nikkas dont give a fukk what internet lames think. I send tweets to who i wanna send tweets to and destroy trash that feels a way about it. I tell the Admins on sohh they fakkits and they did shyt about it. Stop it.

Still, i feel this DRM thing is a big deal and if people are making a movement out of stopping its implementation on the level microsoft is doing it, im with it.

I say make it a publisher decision. Deep down you're hoping its a publisher decision because you want that PS4. I hope its a publisher decision because it will signal the death of Xbox, forever.

 

[PS5 Pro]

nikkas dont give a fukk what internet lames think. I send tweets to who i wanna send tweets to and destroy trash that feels a way about it. I tell the Admins on sohh they fakkits and they did shyt about it. Stop it.

Still, i feel this DRM thing is a big deal and if people are making a movement out of stopping its implementation on the level microsoft is doing it, im with it.

I say make it a publisher decision. Deep down you're hoping its a publisher decision because you want that PS4. I hope its a publisher decision because it will signal the death of Xbox, forever.

I know just like you know the decision has already been made. And is not currently being discussed. Only thing going on right now is one company doesn't want to elaborate on it because they would then have to reveal details about upcoming games (XB1) while PS4 is just not saying anything and that is good enough for the fanboys. Like if there silence isn't a 1,000 words
Don't tell me they spoke on it because that would force you to look at the facts. They spoke on it, real cryptic like. You choose to ignore that because you a fanboy. Its ironic you don't see this, since every single one of your peers (PS Brigade) chose to ignore that glaring fact as well Along with PSN online improvements/etc. All that stuff you guys ignore like if its not even important. That offline single player games is all the rage. Look at your collection. If online games is in your collection at a 3 to 1 or higher ratio? Then you already know what it iz.

 

[Big Blue]

http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2013/...-fan-backlash-over-rumored-playstation-4-drm/

Maybe people need to do this for MS

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Those tweets are pretty damn encouraging. :wow2: