Giannis did what Bron was S'posed to do

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36 year old Bron was averaging 27/8/8 on 55% the last 10 games before Solomon HIll happened.

Quiet as its kept Bron might be the best defender (because of his strength) on Giannis :patrice:

Fukking Solomon Hill costing us the Best player of the last decade vs. the best player of the Next decade finals :snoop:

Looked that way last March.

Frank Vogel says LeBron James' defense on Giannis Antetokounmpo was "impressive"




The only two shots Giannis made on Bron were a deep 3pt and a difficult midrange fadeaway. Didn't even sniff the rim - when he caught the ball on the perimeter against Bron he either bounced off him cause Bron was getting to his spots first or took a long jumper without even trying to drive. The three times he got deep position on Bron he was forced away from the basket all three times.
 
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so you’re saying a good to great 3andD player who can create his own shot wouldn’t be thriving with lebron ?


i love how y’all act like the Cavs FO at that time wasn’t trash as fukk.
The bucks did a good ass job building around Giannis.
All context is lost is when it comes to Bron. Its why that staying in Cleveland shyt rings hollow. Nikkas would be frying Bron if he only had 1 or 2 rings.

Again there was no Middleton that developed with him. There was no Russ that developed with KD. Cleveland was too good early on/shytty scouting. Drafting Luke Jackson over Al Jefferson, JR and Josh Smith.

I made a thread about it. However, if the Cavs did draft JR Smith then that would have been a good test to see if Bron could have "built" him into a better player (before all the distractions/years wasted)
 

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All context is lost is when it comes to Bron. Its why that staying in Cleveland shyt rings hollow. Nikkas would be frying Bron if he only had 1 or 2 rings.

Again there was no Middleton that developed with him. There was no Russ that developed with KD. Cleveland was too good early on/shytty scouting. Drafting Luke Jackson over Al Jefferson, JR and Josh Smith.

I made a thread about it. However, if the Cavs did draft JR Smith then that would have been a good test to see if Bron could have "built" him into a better player (before all the distractions/years wasted)

Imagine if Michael Redd had signed with Cleveland instead of Larry Hughes. :wow:

Redd averaged 26ppg the next two years on 45/40/85 splits despite no one to take defensive pressure off him...with all the open shots from Bron's gravity he would have been fukking ridiculous.


Delonte / Boobie
Redd / Sasha
Bron
Gooden / Varejao
Jefferson / Z
 

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Looked that way last March.

Frank Vogel says LeBron James' defense on Giannis Antetokounmpo was "impressive"




The only two shots Giannis made on Bron were a deep 3pt and a difficult midrange fadeaway. Didn't even sniff the rim - when he caught the ball on the perimeter against Bron he either bounced off him cause Bron was getting to his spots first or took a long jumper without even trying to drive. The three times he got deep position on Bron he was forced away from the basket all three times.

No wonder @Trojan 24 @CantStop been more dramatic than Anti-Drug commercials in the 90s :ohhh:

They knew healhy Bron defends him well enough to get the chip...you know like the year before :wow:

He'll be healthy next year brehs. Father Bron will be back to lift your spirits :to:
 

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No wonder @Trojan 24 @CantStop been more dramatic than Anti-Drug commercials in the 90s :ohhh:

They knew healhy Bron defends him well enough to get the chip...you know like the year before :wow:

He'll be healthy next year brehs. Father Bron will be back to lift your spirits :to:

I dunno, I feel best-case scenario for Bron from here on out is going to be about as healthy as later-years Duncan. Will be clearly limited and on minutes restrictions to make sure he's ready for playoffs.

The good thing is that Bron can still average 24-8-8 even at 70% health. The bad thing is that that's best-case scenario, he could easily take another turn for the worse.
 

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Imagine if Michael Redd had signed with Cleveland instead of Larry Hughes. :wow:

Redd averaged 26ppg the next two years on 45/40/85 splits despite no one to take defensive pressure off him...with all the open shots from Bron's gravity he would have been fukking ridiculous.


Delonte / Boobie
Redd / Sasha
Bron
Gooden / Varejao
Jefferson / Z
They were in the hunt for Ray Allen that year too. Ended up with Hughes :francis:

Then as @McPiff said. Doing trash like this cost them a chance to get Danny Granger in 05.

Dear lord, the trade that sent the Cavs’ 2007 1st-round pick to the Celtics in exchange for Jiri Welsch was awful. Horrifying, inexcusable, inexplicable, and awful.

The Theory:

On February 23rd, 2005, the Cavs were doing pretty well. They were 31-21, appeared to be well on their way to the playoffs, and LeBron James had improved so dramatically since his rookie of the year campaign that Sports Illustrated’s cover declared him “The best 20-year old ever.”

On February 24th, 2005, Jim Paxson traded the Cavaliers’ 1st-round pick for Jiri Welsch. At the time, Welsch was averaging 7.5 points, 2.6 rebounds, and 1.5 assists per game on 42.8%/32.3%/77.3% shooting in 20.5 minutes per game for the Celtics. In other words, he was a replacement-level basketball player in every possible sense. To be fair to Paxson, Welsch shot 38% from deep during the 03-04 season, and was a white non-American player, so in theory he could’ve been a good shooter.

That’s who Paxson traded, in effect, two first-round picks for. That’s right, two. To ensure the trade went through, Paxson removed the lottery protection on the Cavs’ 2005 draft pick, meaning that the Cavs wouldn’t get to keep their pick if they missed the playoffs.

There are two possible explanations for this move:

-Jim Paxson was absolutely sure the Cavaliers would make the 2005 playoffs.

-Jim Paxson didn’t think he’d still be the team’s general manager at the time of the 2007 draft

For his part, Jiri Welsch was absolutely terrible, averaging 2.9 points on 23.5% shooting during his time with the Cavs.

The Cavs would have had the #13 overall pick, but because Paxson removed the pick’s lottery protection, the pick went to the Bobcats

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How it all went wrong: Jiri Welsch

The Celtics flipped that Cavs pick for Rondo in 06. The guy who helped be a difference in 08 and 2010, lol.

The Buck managed to overcome Jabari Parker's injury problems. Just think about that in terms of management.
 

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Jordan is the GOAT. He also needed Scottie Pippen, GOAT HC, one of the GOAT Gms to get his 6 rings as well.

Lets keep some context. Cleveland's organization was not the Bulls.

The Heat was the easy way. Although as I said who would have predicted Wade would have health issues. The less controversial way would have been if chose the Bulls and somehow won his 2 or 3 rings.

Yall don't want Lebron to compete on a reasonable team. Yall want him to have a guaranteed path to the Finals every year.

I repeat, Boston would've got old by 2011, 2012. There was no one standing in LeBron's way after that.

Derrick Rose couldn't beat him. Wade was starting to fall off. Bron would've had 2011 to 2019 to run the East.

If bruh couldn't have gotten 3 rings with the Cavaliers in that time frame then he not as good as you think he is.
 

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Yall don't want Lebron to compete on a reasonable team. Yall want him to have a guaranteed path to the Finals every year.

I repeat, Boston would've got old by 2011, 2012. There was no one standing in LeBron's way after that.

Derrick Rose couldn't beat him. Wade was starting to fall off. Bron would've had 2011 to 2019 to run the East.

If bruh couldn't have gotten 3 rings with the Cavaliers in that time frame then he not as good as you think he is.
Bron and Mo Williams beating KD, Russ and Harden:ohhh:
Bron and Mo Williams beating Spurs big 4 in 2013 and 2014:ohhh:

Ironically I do think the Mavs series would have been his best shot. He wouldnt have had to adjust his game as much and just would have played as a #1. However, Wade didnt fall off some till 2012. 2011 he was still top 3 or 4 so him and Bosh might have beat him anyway.
 

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Bron and Mo Williams beating KD, Russ and Harden:ohhh:
Bron and Mo Williams beating Spurs big 4 in 2013 and 2014:ohhh:

Ironically I do think the Mavs series would have been his best shot. He wouldnt have had to adjust his game as much and just would have played as a #1. However, Wade didnt fall off some till 2012. 2011 he was still top 3 or 4 so him and Bosh might have beat him anyway.

Yea bruh because no new players would've got traded and came there from 2012 to 2019 :beli:

It would've been the same roster for a whole decade right :beli:

Like I said, yall don't want the nikka to compete, yall want a guaranteed easy path to championships and you expect us all to respect it.
 

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we not about to do that; Lebron wished he played with players as good as Jrue and Middleton in his first go with the cavs




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Yall don't want Lebron to compete on a reasonable team. Yall want him to have a guaranteed path to the Finals every year.

I repeat, Boston would've got old by 2011, 2012. There was no one standing in LeBron's way after that.

Derrick Rose couldn't beat him. Wade was starting to fall off. Bron would've had 2011 to 2019 to run the East.

If bruh couldn't have gotten 3 rings with the Cavaliers in that time frame then he not as good as you think he is.
Awful take.

Bron didn't have a "guaranteed path to the Finals" until he went back to Cleveland, ironically enough. Until then his path wasn't any easier than, say, the early 2000s or late 2000s Lakers, the 1990s Bulls, or the 1980s Celtics. (And harder than the 1980s Lakers or the late 2010s Warriors.)

Your argument is that Bron should have continued playing for an a$$hole of an owner and one of the worst-run teams in the NBA despite the fact that they weren't showing any signs they were ever going to get better.....on the "hope" that once the Celtics got old no one else good would emerge in the East....oh and let's just ignore that the Lakers, Spurs, and Thunder were all already stacked.

Why??? Out of loyalty to racist white people in Cleveland who would burn your jersey if you left? :why:
 
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