Giannis is having a crazy season

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Is it just me that finds this hilarious or does everyone else see the humor in it too?

Here Brook Lopez is, one of the frontrunners for DPOY this season, almost entirely due to the fact of him anchoring the paint for the Bucks' defense, and yet @Long Live The Kane is in here trying to frame this as if Giannis is the one who's mainly responsible for the Bucks' paint/rim protection being as good as it is.

When Agendas don't meet up with reality.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Great post.

The Jokic/Doncic stan would juelz his way out of this one.

This subforum is very pathetic hence I seldom post here. Everything is always about parroting agenda-driven media talking points or dumb takes.

When you watch Bucks regularly - Brook Lopez is mostly unplayable most nights especially against teams with athletic wings hence Bucks always struggle against young athletic teams. And he’s useless against bugs that can shoot cos they always cook him. Muscala & Blake Griffin cooked him yesterday & Valanciunes dropped almost 40 on his head earlier this season.

Giannis is the heart & soul of Bucks defense & it’s ludicrous to argue otherwise. Numbers won’t show how Giannis’ length alters a lot of things & he can switch from 1-5. They don’t record some of his stats & a classic example is the game sealing steal against Grant Williams yesterday.

Talk about how everything on this subforum is parroting agenda-driven talking points and dumb takes, and then argue Brook is mostly unplayable most nights despite him defending more shots than anyone else in the league and holding his opponents to a lower FG% than Embiid, brehs.

Talk about how everything on this subforum is parroting agenda-driven talking points and dumb takes, and then argue Brook is mostly unplayable most nights despite him being an integral part to stretching the floor, which allows Giannis to have space to operate on offense and not constantly drive into traffic, brehs.

Talk about how everything on this subforum is parroting agenda-driven talking points and dumb takes, and then argue they don't record some of Giannis' stats are if there's some agenda by the NBA's stat-keepers to hold him back, brehs.

I wouldn't expect anything less from someone who lives in England and tried to argue with everyone that soccer is more physical than American football.

 

[Bonk]

Talk about how everything on this subforum is parroting agenda-driven talking points and dumb takes, and then argue Brook is mostly unplayable most nights despite him defending more shots than anyone else in the league and holding his opponents to a lower FG% than Embiid, brehs.

Talk about how everything on this subforum is parroting agenda-driven talking points and dumb takes, and then argue Brook is mostly unplayable most nights despite him being an integral part to stretching the floor, which allows Giannis to have space to operate on offense and not constantly drive into traffic, brehs.

Talk about how everything on this subforum is parroting agenda-driven talking points and dumb takes, and then argue they don't record some of Giannis' stats are if there's some agenda by the NBA's stat-keepers to hold him back, brehs.

I wouldn't expect anything less from someone who lives in England and tried to argue with everyone that soccer is more physical than American football.

I’m not gonna waste my time on a spastic jobless cum guzzling c*nt that sleeps on a forum whilst sucking off 2 cacs.

Brook Lopez was never known as a good defender even at the peak of his career but whimsically when he got old at the tail end of his career, he became a great defender. Obviously, simple logic (which is foreign to you) would tell you that someone is the catalyst for that. Apart from blocks which can exaggerate how good a player is defensively - Brook is mid. He’s not a good rebounder (for his size), he struggles against bigs that can shoot & guards run past him easily.

The difference between you & I is that I watch the games, so I can tell you the stats that are recorded or missed. And it’s not about where you’re from - it’s about interest. Aren’t Europeans dominating the NBA right now?

Anyway, Giannis got a steal against Grant Williams yesterday to seal the game. But interestingly, it’s not recorded on the box score below (and this isn’t the first).

This is the box score: Celtics vs. Bucks - NBA Box Score - 15 February 2023 | ESPN

^The steal was clearly not recorded.

Man, fukk you, your fellow propagandists & Jokic. Jokic is a cone on defense that plays for advanced stats & not winning basketball. Giannis play to win & he’s the best player in the NBA by a mile. And get a job, you jobless schmuck.

Don’t bother to reply cos you won’t get a reply from me.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Two way greatness

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I’m not gonna waste my time on a spastic jobless cum guzzling c*nt that sleeps on a forum whilst sucking off 2 cacs.

"Spastic jobless cum guzzling c*nt"

You've clearly been hanging around too many crackas talking like that, so I know you desperately trying to classify me as this Luka/Jokic stan stanks of you overcompensating.

It reeks through the screen.

Brook Lopez was never known as a good defender even at the peak of his career but whimsically when he got old at the tail end of his career, he became a great defender. Obviously, simple logic (which is foreign to you) would tell you that someone is the catalyst for that. Apart from blocks which can exaggerate how good a player is defensively - Brook is mid. He’s not a good rebounder (for his size), he struggles against bigs that can shoot & guards run past him easily.

That someone is himself and the Bucks' system.

Or are you going to tell me that Giannis is the one responsible for his improvement on the defensive end? I suppose you're going to tell me that because Brook was never known as a good 3-pt shooter, and has now become one, it's all because of Giannis too? Is Giannis this omnipotent being who single-handedly makes players better defenders and 3-pt shooters?

Brook has his limitations on defense, but that's largely irrelevant as this argument all started because @Long Live The Kane brought up paint defense, and that is NOT a limitation of Brook's, so I couldn't give a fukk that you're running up in here after the fact not paying attention to what's being discussed and trying to change the parameters of it all because YOU have an agenda. It's the reason why you brought up Luka/Jokic despite them not having anything to do with this.

The difference between you & I is that I watch the games, so I can tell you the stats that are recorded or missed. And it’s not about where you’re from - it’s about interest. Aren’t Europeans dominating the NBA right now?

The difference between me and you is, I don't need to bullshyt in front of a bunch of strangers that'll I'll never meet, all because of some deep insecurities that have infested your rockbrain. Again, it is why you constantly bring up Luka/Jokic despite the fact that you've only been on this board for a limited amount of time and couldn't possibly know all the players I speak about.

It's just low-hanging fruit because you saw me speak about them a bunch of times.

Anyway, Giannis got a steal against Grant Williams yesterday to seal the game. But interestingly, it’s not recorded on the box score below (and this isn’t the first).
This is the box score: Celtics vs. Bucks - NBA Box Score - 15 February 2023 | ESPN

^The steal was clearly not recorded.

Here's the possession in question -

Video and Shotcharts | Stats | NBA.com

A video and Shot Chart interface with the ability to filter down to specific on court events and granular details.

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If you look closely, Giannis doesn't make contact with the ball, and even if he did, Grant still ends up touching it last before Allen comes over and steals it. It would only be deemed a steal for Giannis if he dislodged the ball and then Allen was the first one to touch it after that, but since Grant still dribbles it (loosely), it's deemed that he's still in possession of it, before Allen takes it.

Now, of course, Giannis is the main one who's responsible for forcing the turnover, but it's such a trivial thing to bring up as if it's some common occurrence where he's the only one who's handicapped by this. That's how steals are counted in the NBA. The fact that you're putting all this focus on box score stats tells me you're not equipped to debate this topic.

Man, fukk you, your fellow propagandists & Jokic. Jokic is a cone on defense that plays for advanced stats & not winning basketball. Giannis play to win & he’s the best player in the NBA by a mile. And get a job, you jobless schmuck.

This is just embarrassing.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I know cats are going to look at this and think this is some great defensive feat, but there's some important context that's left out of this:

- Giannis is 4th in defensive time of possession on his own team. That means there are three other players on his team who're taking the main defensive reps, so the players that Giannis is defending aren't the best players from the opposing team. He's typically on one of the weaker offensive players.
- The arbitrary nature of 500 shots defended doesn't reflect that Giannis is 104th in overall volume, where there are players who've defended over TWICE as many field goals as he has this season. You can't possibly compare Giannis' DFG% to players who've defended considerably more FGs. It's no different to comparing players who have low-volume 3-pt shots and comparing them to players like Steph and Dame, purely because of percentage.
- The players who've defended more field goals than him are largely made up of either defensive anchors or main defensive role players, where you have big man who're primarily defending a high volume of shots at the rim, where FG% is naturally higher.

And here's the most damning thing about that "Players are shooting 41% when defended by Giannis this season, the best mark by a defender with 500+ shots defended." stat - #2 on the list is Ja Morant.

Yes, you read that right, out of all the players who've defended 500+ shots this season with the lowest DFG%, Ja Morant is #2.

Unless cats are going to talk about Ja Morant being one of the best defenders in the league this season, you're better off taking that tweet with a grain of salt.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Let the record state this dikkriding fakkit doubled-down on being wrong and is still yet to answer for his bullshyt -

Now THIS is what you call “downplaying” @Thavoiceofthevoiceless

Son done spent untold man hours touting Draymond as one of the greatest rim protectors in basketball, defending the rim at more or less the same volume the same rate as Giannis this year over the course of the entire Warriors dynasty….

Now @Thavoiceofthevoiceless this is what downplaying a player looks like when you’re an insecure autistic dweeb that realizes you’ve been caught up making a dumb ass nonsensical point that contradicts the last 8 years of narratives you’ve spent obsessing over on a messageboard…

Here's some stats for you @Long Live The Kane:

In the 2015 playoffs - Dray defended 6.8 shots in the paint (11th in volume), holding opponents -6.8% under their average
In the 2016 playoffs - Dray defended 8.7 shots in the paint (1st in volume), holding opponents -16.1% under their average.
In the 2017 playoffs - Dray defended 6.7 shots in the paint (4th in volume), holding opponents -11.6% under their average
In the 2018 playoffs - Dray defended 7.5 shots in the paint (6th in volume), holding opponents -11% under their average
In the 2019 playoffs - Dray defended 6.9 shots in the paint (11th in volume), holding opponents -12.8% under their average
In the 2022 playoffs - Dray defended 5.1 shots in the paint (22nd in volume), holding opponents -16.6% under their average.

Keep in mind too that these are per game averages, and Dray played more games than almost every single player in each of those playoffs, so it makes his numbers that more impressive that he was able to sustain that level of paint protection for six Finals runs. It's why he is the best defensive player of his generation.

Dray led the league in total shots defended in the paint in five of the six of those postseasons. Is that enough volume for you?

Now dig, Giannis has been to the playoffs seven times and the highest he's ranked in volume was 36th at 4.4 shots defended in the paint.

Marinate on that.

I bet you ain't gonna be tagging @Thavoiceofthevoiceless after this.

Dray led the league in total shots defended in the paint for not one postseason, not two postseasons, not three postseasons, not four postseasons but five postseasons.

That's five playoff runs where he was the league's #1 paint defender, anchoring the paint in four championship-runs. Giannis hasn't even done it in one.

You keep on running from the smoke @Long Live The Kane.

 

[Left.A1]

I’m not gonna waste my time on a spastic jobless cum guzzling c*nt that sleeps on a forum whilst sucking off 2 cacs.

Brook Lopez was never known as a good defender even at the peak of his career but whimsically when he got old at the tail end of his career, he became a great defender. Obviously, simple logic (which is foreign to you) would tell you that someone is the catalyst for that. Apart from blocks which can exaggerate how good a player is defensively - Brook is mid. He’s not a good rebounder (for his size), he struggles against bigs that can shoot & guards run past him easily.

The difference between you & I is that I watch the games, so I can tell you the stats that are recorded or missed. And it’s not about where you’re from - it’s about interest. Aren’t Europeans dominating the NBA right now?

Anyway, Giannis got a steal against Grant Williams yesterday to seal the game. But interestingly, it’s not recorded on the box score below (and this isn’t the first).

This is the box score: Celtics vs. Bucks - NBA Box Score - 15 February 2023 | ESPN

^The steal was clearly not recorded.

Man, fukk you, your fellow propagandists & Jokic. Jokic is a cone on defense that plays for advanced stats & not winning basketball. Giannis play to win & he’s the best player in the NBA by a mile. And get a job, you jobless schmuck.

Don’t bother to reply cos you won’t get a reply from me.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Let the record state this dikkriding fakkit doubled-down on being wrong and is still yet to answer for his bullshyt -

Now THIS is what you call “downplaying” @Thavoiceofthevoiceless

Son done spent untold man hours touting Draymond as one of the greatest rim protectors in basketball, defending the rim at more or less the same volume the same rate as Giannis this year over the course of the entire Warriors dynasty….

Now @Thavoiceofthevoiceless this is what downplaying a player looks like when you’re an insecure autistic dweeb that realizes you’ve been caught up making a dumb ass nonsensical point that contradicts the last 8 years of narratives you’ve spent obsessing over on a messageboard…

Here's some stats for you @Long Live The Kane:

In the 2015 playoffs - Dray defended 6.8 shots in the paint (11th in volume), holding opponents -6.8% under their average
In the 2016 playoffs - Dray defended 8.7 shots in the paint (1st in volume), holding opponents -16.1% under their average.
In the 2017 playoffs - Dray defended 6.7 shots in the paint (4th in volume), holding opponents -11.6% under their average
In the 2018 playoffs - Dray defended 7.5 shots in the paint (6th in volume), holding opponents -11% under their average
In the 2019 playoffs - Dray defended 6.9 shots in the paint (11th in volume), holding opponents -12.8% under their average
In the 2022 playoffs - Dray defended 5.1 shots in the paint (22nd in volume), holding opponents -16.6% under their average.

Keep in mind too that these are per game averages, and Dray played more games than almost every single player in each of those playoffs, so it makes his numbers that more impressive that he was able to sustain that level of paint protection for six Finals runs. It's why he is the best defensive player of his generation.

Dray led the league in total shots defended in the paint in five of the six of those postseasons. Is that enough volume for you?

Now dig, Giannis has been to the playoffs seven times and the highest he's ranked in volume was 36th at 4.4 shots defended in the paint.

Marinate on that.

I bet you ain't gonna be tagging @Thavoiceofthevoiceless after this.

Dray led the league in total shots defended in the paint for not one postseason, not two postseasons, not three postseasons, not four postseasons but five postseasons.

That's five playoff runs where he was the league's #1 paint defender, anchoring the paint in four championship-runs. Giannis hasn't even done it in one.

You keep on running from the smoke @Long Live The Kane.

 

[Walt]

Giannis is awesome. I won't let my love of Joker make me hate da GOATed Greek.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It's amazing just how many folks on this board will bullshyt to the ends of the Earth knowing cotdamn well they're in the wrong.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Bucks winning yet another game without Giannis, with Brook holding it down on defense with 9 blocks.

Let @Long Live The Kane tell it that Giannis is the one who's been anchoring their defense this season.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Bucks winning yet another game without Giannis, with Brook holding it down on defense with 9 blocks.

Let @Long Live The Kane tell it that Giannis is the one who's been anchoring their defense this season.

Now @Thavoiceofthevoiceless this is what downplaying a player looks like when you’re an insecure autistic dweeb that realizes you’ve been caught up making a dumb ass nonsensical point that contradicts the last 8 years of narratives you’ve spent obsessing over on a messageboard…so you beg for a grown man’s attention all day on Valentine’s Day (now over the course of months) , and respond to the same goddamn post like 6 times with walls of text of parsing bullshyt


Defense isn’t a zero sum game…. The fact that Giannis plays with another great rim protecting big doesn’t mean that Giannis being statistically the best at altering shots at the rim is all “not meaningful” …it’s the reason the bucks have the top defense in the league…great defenders amplify the effectiveness of other great defenders, not the opposite

5 contests at the rim isn’t some super low insignificant number, it’s exactly in line with what the best switchable, mobile, versatile defenders in the league average (draymond and JJJ were cited in the original post I made for a reason…as they play that same role and average vert near the same amount of rim contests)…if Draymond played with Brook his rim contests would stay damn near right where they are or slightly dip, but that wouldn’t make him any less impactful…it’d just make the dubs better and more versatile

Giannis being elite in that regard is a huge reason why Milwaukee has a championship level defense and it allows them to adapt to situations like last night when Lopez (their DPOY candidate that somehow makes Giannis defensive impact not meaningful ) was played off the floor and the bucks had to go to a Giannis at center lineup …like they had to do in the finals when they won the chip and I’m sure they’ll have to do in large stints in the playoffs this year…and a huge reason Giannis will be All Defense this year and a huge part, to the threads topic, he’s having a great year

Brook is having a great year, and Giannis is one of the best defensive players in the league…both things can be true you autist dweeb….two great defensive bigs = a great defense….see: Mobley and Allen in Cleveland…. JJJ and Adams when he was healthy…

 

[MikelArteta]

Bucks winning yet another game without Giannis, with Brook holding it down on defense with 9 blocks.

Let @Long Live The Kane tell it that Giannis is the one who's been anchoring their defense this season.

bucks second most important player

crazy is what bucks are doing and middleton is not fully 100% yet