Giannis with 35, 17, and 20

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Crazy statline, but is alarming how he needed all of that just to beat the tanking sixers.

If I'm a playoff team, I want Bucks in 1st round. They are food without Dame like if your 2nd best player heading to the playoffs is Kyle Kuzma, not even prime Jordan would carry these bums.
 

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It's kinda cool but also unfortunate that we have about 5-6 generational talents in the league at the same time (Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Luka, Embiid*, and soon Wemby) who have/will continue to hinder each other's future "all-time" narratives. aka They're all right there as top 15-20 talents, but only so many MVPs, scoring titles, rings, first team selections, etc., to "validate" it.

Not even getting to someone like Anthony Davis who is everything people pretended Rasheed Wallace could be.. aka the perfect hybrid of Duncan and KG, but AD never had the durability or proper career decisions. He's one of the most talented pfs ever but missed his shot for at least a one-off mvp like Malone and Barkley were able to get.

*And yea at this point Embiid as kinda hindered his own self.
I’d take Embiid out of that list, other than that I agree with everything you said. Giannis was my MVP for 2023, and had him 3rd last year (Luka, then Shai)
 

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Top two player in the league. Only SGA has a case for being better right now.
 

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Yep. The online and analytical cacs have been on a crusade with dikk riding Jokic. You can see how they've been downplaying the team around to have the excuses in place for the next couple of years of them not winning anything.
They also using this narrative to push for Joker's campaign
 

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I honestly think Giannis is gone after this year. Bucks prob not getting out the first or second round with their trash roster.

Kuzma is trash, Lopez is old and a free agent, bobby portis ain't picking up that player option, connaughton is washed, taureaun prince and gary trent goign to get paid elsewhere, Kevin porter trash but can make more than the player option. Lillard going to be a ear older and only has another year left.
 

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I’d take Embiid out of that list, other than that I agree with everything you said. Giannis was my MVP for 2023, and had him 3rd last year (Luka, then Shai)

I mean, of the foreign 5 (him, jokic, sga, luka, giannis), he's unquestionably the least reliable and most fragile both literally and mentally... but that 1.5 regular season/100-game stretch of 34ppg 11rpg, 4apg, 2bpg, 1spg... :whew:

...he was on the same cheat code Jokic, SGA and Giannis are currently on for the regular season.. but yea unlike Jokic and Giannis (his peers in age, more so than Shai and Luka) he's failed way too many times in the playoffs for one reason or another. Now with the injuries, it does feel like Wemby is gonna replace him in that F5 list and Embiid will be one of those forgotten coulda/woulda stories he'll podcast about on Thanasis's YT channel in 10 years.
 

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Yep. The online and analytical cacs have been on a crusade with dikk riding Jokic. You can see how they've been downplaying the team around to have the excuses in place for the next couple of years of them not winning anything.
Exactly. They bring up how Jokic has never played with an all star, like Jamal Murray isn’t an all star caliber player who’s been their closer a lot of times. Like Aaron Gordon wasn’t the player who put them over the top when he got traded to them. Michael Porter Jr. is averaging 18 and 7 this season. In fact, these are players who average double digits for the Nuggets:

Jokic - 29.7
Murray - 21.6
Porter Jr. - 18.2
Braun - 15.2
Gordon - 14.3
Westbrook - 13.4
 
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You’re saying media won’t make this the top story and talk about how Giannis is something we’ve never seen before? :mjpls:
It’s different with Jokic though. I’ve seen people on TV say he’s the best player and it’s not even close. White boys online been riding Jokic something serious too.

Ironically though, Joker is having the career people thought Luka would have. I remember when Luka was predicted to win MVP like 3 years in a row, and he doesn’t have one yet.
Where's all the smoke for Giannis losing 1-3 in the 1st round and only having one playoff win in over 1000 days?

:mjpls:
 

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Where's all the smoke for Giannis losing 1-3 in the 1st round and only having one playoff win in over 1000 days?

:mjpls:
Why should there be smoke? Since they won the championship:

2022 - lost in game 7 against the Celtics (who had home court and ultimately went to the Finals)
2023 - injured in game one against Miami, came back for game 4, but clearly wasn’t 100%. Plus their coach kept using a smaller Holiday to guard Jimmy Butler in single coverage.
2024 - missed entire playoffs
2025 - Dame wasn’t 100% and ultimately suffers serious injury. Should’ve won yesterday. That loss wasn’t because of him.

Milwaukee was never some stacked team, even when they won the championship.
 
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Why should there be smoke? Since they won the championship:

2022 - lost in game 7 against the Celtics (who had home court and ultimately went to the Finals)
2023 - injured in game one against Miami, came back for game 4, but clearly wasn’t 100%. Plus their coach kept using a smaller Holiday to guard Jimmy Butler in single coverage.
2024 - missed entire playoffs
2025 - Dame wasn’t 100% and ultimately suffers serious injury. Should’ve won yesterday. That loss wasn’t because of him.

Milwaukee was never some stacked team, even when they won the championship.
Seems like a whole lot of excuses to me that you wouldn't afford to the player you were ultimately making this thread about.
 

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Seems like a whole lot of excuses to me that you wouldn't afford to the player you were ultimately making this thread about.
Let’s do this for Denver. Since they won the championship:

2024 - beat the Lakers in 5, but choked 20pt lead in the 4th quarter of a game 7 at home, when they were the favorites to at least get back to the Finals. Was that Joker’s fault? No, but they were the favorites in the preseason to win the championship, and some were saying they could potentially be the new GS Warriors.

2025 - 4th seed and they don’t have a bench, plus they fired their coach right before the playoffs. No one is picking them to win the title
 

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Exactly. They bring up how Jokic has never played with an all star, like Jamal Murray isn’t an all star caliber player who’s been their closer a lot of times. Like Aaron Gordon wasn’t the player who put them over the top when he got traded to them. Michael Porter Jr. is averaging 18 and 7 this season. In fact, these are players who average double digits for the Nuggets:

Jokic - 29.7
Murray - 21.6
Porter Jr. - 18.2
Braun - 15.2
Gordon - 14.3
Westbrook - 13.4

Ah, I see why @Gil Scott-Heroin is on this weird crusade advocating for the board blaming Giannis more :mjlol:

It makes sense now :pachaha:
 
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Ah, I see why @Gil Scott-Heroin is on this weird crusade advocating for the board blaming Giannis more :mjlol:

It makes sense now :pachaha:
I'm glad it finally makes sense now that this board holds Jokic to a different standard than they do Giannis.

It's hilarious how you'd quote that post gassing someone like MPJ, as if Jokic isn't entirely responsible for him being a productive player (whenever he chooses to show up). MPJ, himself, has even said on one of his podcasts that he's only relevant because of Jokic. AG has said much of the same.

He spoonfeeds all those players (except for Jamal), yet we're bringing up their PPG as if they'd be that productive without him.

Actually, the worst example in that group is Westbrook.

Are we really out here using him as an example of help in 2025, when this board has said how much of a detriment he's been to the teams he's on in recent years?

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