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Except kobe didn't prove that claim to be trueSO I GUESS ACCORDING TO U KOBE WAS THE GREATEST EVER BY 2000 WHEN SHAQ CALLED HIM THAT
GIL SCOTT-CRACK: “I’M NOT SURE HOW MJ WOULD HAVE MORE OFFENSIVE IMPACT IN THIS ERA THAN STEPH.”
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Except the game isn't a 1v1 contest - it's about what impact you have in the context of 5v5. This is why y'all Kobe stans don't quite grasp the concept of the game because you look at purely through lens of how players score 1v1.
Except kobe didn't prove that claim to be true
Yeah he did. No other player won titles and then started over completely from scratch and won more titles later with an average supporting cast.
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That doesn't make him the greatest ever
His resume is shytted on by more people than just jordan.
Scoring against double-teams in the low/mid-post and in the paint has no relevance here. Especially as it relates to the scoring opportunities that Steph gives his teammates. Steph stretches defenses to a greater degree than MJ did, because of threat of his shooting ability, which, therefore, means his teammates have easier opportunities to score.
Defenses never shadowed MJ with 2-3 defenders all over the halfcourt, with and without the ball. For starters, the rules wouldn't allow it, and most importantly, teams weren't worried about MJ pulling up from the logo.
How does this not make sense to you?
Because those teams played fukking defense why do you think that's smart to shadow Steph at halfcourt say he took 10 shots from 30 a game how many he hitting?
Naw let's leave all types of holes in our D cause dumbasses which(actually didn't happen often )double teaming 40 ft from the basket?
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Except kobe didn't prove that claim to be true
I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE FACT HE WON WIT LESS THAN JORDAN EVER HAD PROVES OTHERWISE
That doesn't make him the greatest ever
His resume is shytted on by more people than just jordan.
NAME ME THE PLAYERS WHO WOULDA WON WIT PAU GASOL AS A SECOND OPTION .. TWICE
WE CAN ALREADY CHECK OFF YOUR BOY LEBRON OFF THAT LIST..
THAT ALONE WAS ENOUGH TO CEMENT HIS LEGACY AS TOP 5.
Except the game isn't a 1v1 contest - it's about what impact you have in the context of 5v5. This is why y'all Kobe stans don't quite grasp the concept of the game because you look at purely through lens of how players score 1v1.
BEING ABLE TO TAKE ON OPPONENTS 1-ON-1 IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF OFFENSIVE IMPACT
Not only is this not true, not only is this simplifying that argument, but because the 3-pt shot wasn't utilized back then like it was today, defenses only had to worry about inside the arc (less space to worry about defending).
During the majority of MJ's time in the league, teams wouldn't even regularly defend the 3-pt line because it was seen as a bad shot.
Well, for starters, it's the threat of him dribbling into a shot, and not necessarily always worrying about him taking a shot from near halfcourt. The less time and space they give him the moment he crosses halfcourt, the less chance he has of taking and making a shot.
From his second MVP season:
I guess this comes down to: do you understand the concept of how Steph stretches defenses and opens up the floor for his teammates to score, as it relates to impact?
That doesn't make him the greatest ever
His resume is shytted on by more people than just jordan.
I think Sccit's stance is that there is no one single GOAT. There's a handful, and kobe is easily one of them and his resume backs it up.
Who said otherwise? The point is, it's not everything.
BEING ABLE TO TAKE ON OPPONENTS 1-ON-1 IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF OFFENSIVE IMPACT
MJ and Kobe were undoubtedly better in a 1v1 context of a game, but 1v1 scoring only has limited impact when you relate it to offensive impact as a whole. The threat that Steph poses with and without the ball to score anywhere inside the halfcourt causes teams to defend him more aggressively and with greater coverage than they did MJ and Kobe. He doesn't even need to touch the ball and his off-ball movements can open up easy scoring opportunities; neither Kobe or MJ had that effect on a defense.
Teams have literally left Steph's teammates wide open for the last half a decade, all because they'd rather his teammates take wide-open shots than Steph put up any, at all. Teams did not do that with MJ.
Combine that with his scoring and playmaking ability and productivity and it's why he has the impact he does. That doesn't make him the best scorer and it doesn't make him the best offensive player, it just makes him the one with the most impact.
Anyone that understands the game would comprehend this.
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Why am I not surprised that since you're incapable of refuting my argument, you then resort to posting an isolated play, especially since these GOATs that you speak of have had similar plays/possessions all throughout their careers.
Why am I not surprised that since you're incapable of refuting my argument, you then resort to posting an isolated play, especially since these GOATs that you speak of have had similar plays/possessions all throughout their careers.
THIS IS LITERALLY THE PLAY HE IS MOST KNOWN FOR
KEEP JUELZIN N CONVINCING YASELF U SPITTIN KNOWLEDGE THO
I C U
And this is why you have a WOAT badge and 3,000+ deep in the red. You resort to meme-posting to cover up the fact you can't make a coherent argument about anything.