Gillum's nomination shyts all over the Clinton legacy

[Geek Nasty]

A little oldhead history first. Bill Clinton got tired of herding cats trying to rally unions, labor, and other working-man organizations under the Democratic umbrella. So, he came up with the idea of the DLC. Cater to big business just enough to pull some votes from Republicans and your base woudln't have anywhere to go, so you'd net win votes. The problem is Clinton didn't calculate that checking out of the process was also an option, which is what happened to a lot of the liberal base.

And the worst thing about the DLC is that corporate america figured all they had to do was bribe the guys at the top to keep labor in line. So, lower level politicians suffered while the Democratic organization operated like an Authoritarian regime.

So, the Clinton administration marked the beginning of Republican dominance of US politics in the modern era.

Obama was the first chink in the Clintonista wall. Instead of playing it safe on everything hoping you don't piss off a bunch of white, pink-on-the-inside labor-only liberals, Obama threw up a finger to that whole scam. That's why Hillary hated him so much. He wasn't playing "by the rules."

Gillum just blew up the polls by focusing on DEMOCRATIC issues and not trying to appease a bunch of middle class white people who only care about who's going to give them the biggest tax refund. Literally, breh didn't even register until election day because all the pollsters just assumed it was business as usual; disgruntled Democrats stay home, Republicans show up in primaries and midterms.

I hope the whole party starts to figure out that Clinton-era philosophy is a monumental failure.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Reading Listen Liberal by Thomas Frank right now and he talks about this. While Clinton wasn't the start of this way of thinking for Democrats he definitely was the pinnacle.

 

[The Odum of Ala Igbo]

A little oldhead history first. Bill Clinton got tired of herding cats trying to rally unions, labor, and other working-man organizations under the Democratic umbrella. So, he came up with the idea of the DLC. Cater to big business just enough to pull some votes from Republicans and your base woudln't have anywhere to go, so you'd net win votes. The problem is Clinton didn't calculate that checking out of the process was also an option, which is what happened to a lot of the liberal base.

And the worst thing about the DLC is that corporate america figured all they had to do was bribe the guys at the top to keep labor in line. So, lower level politicians suffered while the Democratic organization operated like an Authoritarian regime.

So, the Clinton administration marked the beginning of Republican dominance of US politics in the modern era.

Obama was the first chink in the Clintonista wall. Instead of playing it safe on everything hoping you don't piss off a bunch of white, pink-on-the-inside labor-only liberals, Obama threw up a finger to that whole scam. That's why Hillary hated him so much. He wasn't playing "by the rules."

Gillum just blew up the polls by focusing on DEMOCRATIC issues and not trying to appease a bunch of middle class white people who only care about who's going to give them the biggest tax refund. Literally, breh didn't even register until election day because all the pollsters just assumed it was business as usual; disgruntled Democrats stay home, Republicans show up in primaries and midterms.

I hope the whole party starts to figure out that Clinton-era philosophy is a monumental failure.

If this analysis is correct, a question becomes can this new model bring out voters to the polls.

 

[Jhoon]

A little oldhead history first. Bill Clinton got tired of herding cats trying to rally unions, labor, and other working-man organizations under the Democratic umbrella. So, he came up with the idea of the DLC. Cater to big business just enough to pull some votes from Republicans and your base woudln't have anywhere to go, so you'd net win votes. The problem is Clinton didn't calculate that checking out of the process was also an option, which is what happened to a lot of the liberal base.

And the worst thing about the DLC is that corporate america figured all they had to do was bribe the guys at the top to keep labor in line. So, lower level politicians suffered while the Democratic organization operated like an Authoritarian regime.

So, the Clinton administration marked the beginning of Republican dominance of US politics in the modern era.

Obama was the first chink in the Clintonista wall. Instead of playing it safe on everything hoping you don't piss off a bunch of white, pink-on-the-inside labor-only liberals, Obama threw up a finger to that whole scam. That's why Hillary hated him so much. He wasn't playing "by the rules."

Gillum just blew up the polls by focusing on DEMOCRATIC issues and not trying to appease a bunch of middle class white people who only care about who's going to give them the biggest tax refund. Literally, breh didn't even register until election day because all the pollsters just assumed it was business as usual; disgruntled Democrats stay home, Republicans show up in primaries and midterms.

I hope the whole party starts to figure out that Clinton-era philosophy is a monumental failure.

It was not a failure for the Clintons. It served Bill very well.

There are some folks critical of the obama model too.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

If this analysis is correct, a question becomes can this new model bring out voters to the polls.

Gillum just won the Dem nomination while spending the least money and being consistently 4th in polls. So I would say yeah.

 

[Geek Nasty]

Reading Listen Liberal by Thomas Frank right now and he talks about this. While Clinton wasn't the start of this way of thinking for Democrats he definitely was the pinnacle.

I read another GOAT book of his called "What's the matter with Kansas?" It's basically a look at Kansas politics as a microcosm of US politics. Republicans made up of 1/2 poor whites votiing for social issues and against their own economic interests because they're so obsessed with striking it rich they don't realize their own situations. The other half are the well-off moderates who just want tax cuts and con the poor, uneducated 1/2 into thinking what's good for rich people is good for poor people. Book is probably 15 years old but basically predicts the Tea Party uprising.

 

[Geek Nasty]

It was not a failure for the Clintons. It served Bill very well.

There are some folks critical of the obama model too.

Yeah short term, but in the long term it decimated the democratic party.. That was my point. It's good for the Democrats at teh very top of the heap, but everybody else suffers including the base. Eventually, you end up with candidates who can't even beat Donald Trump because the party organization is top-down.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

omfg stop talking about the Clinton's!!!!!!!!!

 

[T’Challa’s Heir]

When Clinton won, hadn’t the Democrats lost 5 of the last 6 presidential elections? It’s fine to hate Clinton, but lets not forget that we’d had 12 years straight of Republican presidents while running left wing dudes like Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis.

 

[Jhoon]

Yeah short term, but in the long term it decimated the democratic party.. That was my point. It's good for the Democrats at teh very top of the heap, but everybody else suffers including the base. Eventually, you end up with candidates who can't even beat Donald Trump because the party organization is top-down.

Once again: it served the leader of the executive branch well. In the end self preservation is the name of the game.

Democrats may talk of rising waters, but it seems their peers always wash away.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

When Clinton won, hadn’t the Democrats lost 5 of the last 6 presidential elections? It’s fine to hate Clinton, but lets not forget that we’d had 12 years straight of Republican presidents while running left wing dudes like Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis.

Hate for Carter was strong. Plus the Cold War and Republicans selling themselves as war-hawks helped a lot as well. Notice that Clinton won after the Wall fell.

 

[Baka's Weird Case]

When Clinton won, hadn’t the Democrats lost 5 of the last 6 presidential elections? It’s fine to hate Clinton, but lets not forget that we’d had 12 years straight of Republican presidents while running left wing dudes like Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis.

mondale was not left wing, thats revisionist history. mondale actually wanted to move the party further to the right to appeal to historically democratic union members who were votig reagan. the reason mondale lost was because he was too close to reagan in policy, not because he was too leftist.
now dukakis was more liberal but people forget he was actually leading H W in the polls before they unfolded one of the most racist and vicious campaigns of all time.
mario cuomo, who was on the left, would have been the democrats best candidate in this period.

 

[Boonapalist]

Al From founded the DLC and also the Reagan administration started the right’s domination. Some of the stuff Reagan did had already been started by Carter, but he took it a step further and his rhetoric gave conservatism a new life.

Obama was the most left wing Democratic president we had since LBJ, which is pretty sad if you think about it. Carter started mass deregulation of the economy and increased military spending. And I don’t think we need to talk about Clinton.

American politics leaned more to the left after FDR. I think the Civil Rights Movement, what people felt was the failure of Keynesian economics due to stagflation and high unemployment, and Jimmy Carter’s perceived weakness allowed someone like Reagan to be elected and shift America to the right.

 

[dj-method-x]

When Clinton won, hadn’t the Democrats lost 5 of the last 6 presidential elections? It’s fine to hate Clinton, but lets not forget that we’d had 12 years straight of Republican presidents while running left wing dudes like Walter Mondale and Michael Dukakis.

If we think about it Clinton wouldn’t have won if Ross Perot wasn’t getting so much of the Republican vote

 

[88m3]