Glasses Malone & Charlamagne Debate - Who was the bigger star, while alive. 2pac or Snoop?

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Snoop is the undisputed king of the 90's. Period. #2 is LL. Pac and Biggie benefited from death.
Not with these releases

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See breh. This is why you get called out on your 'deflecting'.

We go from Pac doesnt have any songs in top the 100 of all time over Snoop.

I give receipts..

Now you bring up.. "bu bu bu but cats not bumping it in the streets."




Yeah...you're hating breh, you just dont realize it, as most haters dont.

The world doesnt evolve around what your streets listen to.

It is what it is, my breh.

no

this is what u call spinning - cause i never said all pac songs .... i cosigned pre DR songs

again, dear momma success is based off emotion & mother-son urban society dysfunctional structures - basically it’s for bytches

:yeshrug: it is .... what it is :yeshrug:
 

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Who the fukk would argue the fact that Snoop was bigger than Pac at one point. But the same amount of time Snoop was bigger than Pac while he was alive. Pac was bigger than Snoop. Snoop had 93 and 94 on lock. Pac had 95 and ESPECIALLY 96. By the time Pac died. He was the biggest rapper in the country. Not AFTER. BY THE TIME.
Get out your feelings doggy....I vividly remember that time even Bone was bigger than 2pac in 95....but its all good homie we all love 2pac.... I just know where he stood in that time he was bubbling and bout to blow but not yet
 
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That’s how YOU feel nikka. The fukk? U cant just change history. I Get Around is a classic. Period.

I Get Around is one of the biggest party slappers breh


:yeshrug: it was a regular hip hop female / shortie song from ‘93:manny:


i dare u .... to tell me what’s the difference between ‘i get around ‘ and this joint

i’ll wait








and u damn know what song was more popping & creative :sas2:
 

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It’s not hard to say. From 95 on Pac was the bigger star. The shyt aint really debatable honestly. Anyone who tells u otherwise is lying. Or has a hate for either one in either direction. Snoop was THAT nikka from 92-94. In 95? It shifted. There’s a REASON Pac going to Death Row was such a big deal.

How was Tupac bigger than Snoop Dogg in 95 when All Eyez On Me didn't come out until Feb of 96 and California Love dropped at the very end of 95? You know what went double platinum in 95? Murder was the case soundtrack. So stop it breh.

There is no one to tell me anything, did you live in the city both of them were from at the time? I did.

And what was the second single off AEOM? Ahh that is right the song with Snoop. Curious how he surpassed him so much yet Tupac still needed him for his second single.

 
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I saw the interview yesterday morning and agree with most of what G said. Pac came to Death Row to benefit from what Snoop and Dre had popping. Pac was broke when he came to the Row. He had no monster hits like Snoop til after he got there. He may have surpassed him in popularity towards the end but for most of their time together Snoop was bigger, not even sure how that is debatable.

I get around and Dear Mama were definitely Monster hits. Keep ya head up and So Many Tears were also big.
 

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How was Tupac bigger than Snoop Dogg in 95 when All Eyez On Me didn't come out until Feb of 96 and California Love dropped at the very end of the year? You know what double platinum in 95? Murder was the case soundtrack. So stop it breh.

There is no one to tell me anything, did you live in the city both of them were from at the time? I did.

And what was the second single off AEOM? Ahh that is right the song with Snoop.



He wasn’t ever bigger than Snoop in life

Doggfather dropped after Pac had died

I don’t even know why people posting Da Game Is To Be Sold lol..

1998 is out of scope.. has nothing to do with the discussion in any capacity
 

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a lot of yall in here arguing against the wrong points and obviously didnt watch the video or didnt comprehend it. yall keep saying Pac was bigger in 96. go back and listen to the clip. Glasses said that at no point was Pac bigger than Snoop in 93, 94, or 95. (you can obviously throw in 92). Charlemagne said Pac was bigger once Pac got to Death Row. He cited AEOM and Glasses said "because of Snoop". even Envy said Snoop was the biggest rap star of all time. Glasses said Pac wasnt as big as B.I.G...but thats all you nikkas hear....not catching the rest of the context....BEFORE AOEM.

Pac first single was California Love and that came out at the end of 95 right? that was his first Death Row single right? that was his most successful single right?

so if anything, the only argument here should be who was bigger in 95? because that is the only year that Glasses said Snoop was bigger that would even be debatable. before that was Snoop, after that was Pac. He didnt say Snoop was bigger than Pac in 96 and said that for the 9 months (and posthumously) Pac was bigger.

:snoop: man cotdamn. I give up. fukk are not getting here??? he was saying that there was a BRAND that was already established. that brand was established by the business moves of Suge and the music backdrop of Dre and Snoop. without them there would be no fukking Death Row for Pac to even join!!! Pac was huge, but joining Death Row put him on another level. Safe to say he wouldve never reached that level under Iovine because they probably couldnt have got him there because you needed someone to capture the market like Suge did. the whole gangsta image, etc... then there is the matter of Dre's production. all of this took Pac to another level. Dre produced California Love. if you want to argue what Glasses is saying then argue that maybe it was more Suge and Dre that took Pac to another level and to a lesser degree Snoop. Without Suge and Dre there is no Death Row. but without Snoop Death Row would not have been the label it was. Can you say the same for Pac?

Saying Snoop was bigger in '92-'95 is completely pointless because:

1. He had a Dre co-sign and single ("Deep Cover").
2. He was all over Dre's first post-NWA release ("The Chronic")
3. He had a full solo album ("Doggystyle") produced by Dre, who at the time was arguably the biggest producer in hip-hop.

Pac had NONE of those things. So the comparison is hilariously lop sided in Snoop's favor. I mean....anyone arguing that angle is not even attempting to be subjective.

Dre is the reason Death Row was successful. Dre was the reason Snoop was successful. You remove the Dre co-sign, nobody even knows who the fukk Snoop is. Dre leaves, Snoop's follow up album was weak as fukk.

So if you give a '92-'95 Pac what Snoop everything Snoop had to work with....Pac would've been, what Snoop was.

Fred.
 

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Lastly, and this is for the entire thread....if Snoop was so important and the biggest rapper in the 90's and so instrumental to the success and future of Death Row....why did Suge make everyone, including Snoop, give all their album material to Pac for "AEOM"?



Suge knew who the most important artist on the label was....and it wasn't Snoop. Meaning, Snoop and Pac on equal footing....Snoop is second fiddle. The only way this "Snoop was bigger!" argument even has any footing, is if you give Snoop the combined power of Dre+Death Row while Pac has none of that.

Fred.
 
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