Glazer- Percy Harvin traded to Seattle

[YouMadd?]

The only person stopping Percy from reaching his full potential is Percy. If he's focused, he's one of the best players in the league. But that's his problem, he hasn't been focused...and this goes back to his days at Florida.

Basically, Seattle just gave up 3 picks for "potential". Unless Pete plans on letting Percy dictate the rules (which is what he did at Florida), this is going to blow up in his face.

When has Percy's focus prevented him from performing on the field?


I have watched every game he played as a Viking and If there is one thing you can say about Percy is that he shows up on gamedays regardless of the off the field BS... Lets not go and make things up now to win an argument

 

[B90X]

When has Percy's focus prevented him from performing on the field?


I have watched every game he played as a Viking and If there is one thing you can say about Percy is that he shows up on gamedays regardless of the off the field BS... Lets not go and make things up now to win an argument

What am I making up? He's a malcontent. He's always been a malcontent. You think now, magically, that since he's with a new team and has a new contract that he's not going to be? That his history, going all the way back to college, now is going to change?

Also, I never said he didn't show up on game days. I said when he's focused he's one of the best players in the league.
But he's not always focused. You've watched every game he's played as a vikings player. You're going to sit there and say that you've been satisfied with his career with the Vikings thus far and you can honestly say that he played every game the same?

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

When has Percy's focus prevented him from performing on the field?


I have watched every game he played as a Viking and If there is one thing you can say about Percy is that he shows up on gamedays regardless of the off the field BS... Lets not go and make things up now to win an argument

But let's be real, results are results.

And as a WR his results are just good, not great. You can blame it on his QB, but he's had Favre in his good Vikings season and he still wasn't blowing the doors off of anybody.

At the end of the day it's a guy who has 20 career receiving TD's in 4 seasons.

As a WR, he has a lot of work to do to be worth what the Seahawks gave up for him and are about to pay him.

The funny thing about AP saying he is the best player he's ever played with, who has AP ever played with? Jerome Simpson? Toby Gerhart? Sidney Rice?

 

[YouMadd?]

What am I making up? He's a malcontent. He's always been a malcontent. You think now, magically, that since he's with a new team and has a new contract that he's not going to be? That his history, going all the way back to college, now is going to change?

Also, I never said he didn't show up on game days. I said when he's focused he's one of the best players in the league.
But he's not always focused. You've watched every game he's played as a vikings player. You're going to sit there and say that you've been satisfied with his career with the Vikings thus far and you can honestly say that he played every game the same?

Breh... By saying when he is focused he one of the best players, but then saying he is not always focused, you're implying that his play suffers when he is "not focused"...

Well like I said before, dude always shows up on Sunday when he was in Purple and Gold...He must have amazing focus because even when he was having problems with Childress, he still played hard and sacrificed his body like he always does...

Sorry man, but you're wrong. Sure he is a "malcontent", but he play on the field has never suffered as far as I saw. he was getting better every year and I expect him to continue to get better as he enters his prime...

 

[YouMadd?]

But let's be real, results are results.

And as a WR his results are just good, not great. You can blame it on his QB, but he's had Favre in his good Vikings season and he still wasn't blowing the doors off of anybody.

At the end of the day it's a guy who has 20 career receiving TD's in 4 seasons.

As a WR, he has a lot of work to do to be worth what the Seahawks gave up for him and are about to pay him.

The funny thing about AP saying he is the best player he's ever played with, who has AP ever played with? Jerome Simpson? Toby Gerhart? Sidney Rice?

First off... AP said he is the best all around player he ever "SAW" ... Im sure he has seen a lot of great players with his eyes

Also... when it comes to Percy, dude is a special player, he gets his stats i so many different ways, he will definitely earn his money. Not to mention, before he got hurt he was on pace to have his best year receiving(111 catchs and 1300-1400 yards receiving, 300 yards rushing, etc)

Dude's receiving stats are improving every year, and obviously Seattle's management sees that. I mean I just need to stop trying to show you in writing how good percy is. You'll see him twice a year and you'll be able to figure it out for yourself. His talent is pretty unique and it will be amplified with a good playcalling coaching staff and solid Qb who can throw on the move.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

You can tell the people who never watched Vikings games. You'd be hard pressed to find any Vikings fan who had an issue with Percy's performance on Sundays or his career here. Dude put up over 7,000 all purpose yards and 30 TD's during his stint here. He was a beast whenever he was on the field. You cant judge him strictly off his numbers at WR cause he was more than just a WR, not too mention we are a run first team and have been that way ever since AD got here. I dare you to find another player who was as good as Percy Harvin was from all-around standpoint

Was ROY, made a Pro Bowl, and was by far the second best offensive player the team had. Not too mention his numbers suffered cause of the coaching staff not him. In the 2011 season he only saw the field for 50-60% of the offensive snaps, the coaching staff went for the longest without using Percy properly or doing what they could to get him the ball

 

[airmax95fan]

Breh... By saying when he is focused he one of the best players, but then saying he is not always focused, you're implying that his play suffers when he is "not focused"...

Well like I said before, dude always shows up on Sunday when he was in Purple and Gold...He must have amazing focus because even when he was having problems with Childress, he still played hard and sacrificed his body like he always does...

Sorry man, but you're wrong. Sure he is a "malcontent", but he play on the field has never suffered as far as I saw. he was getting better every year and I expect him to continue to get better as he enters his prime...

Dude's post makes no sense. For all the trashing the media has done to him, he has always performed and was one of the hardest workers on the team...been that way from high school to the pros. If he was such a malcontent and trouble maker the media tries to make him out to be, I doubt you would be seeing AP and other teammates riding for him as they are.

 

[YouMadd?]

Dude's post makes no sense. For all the trashing the media has done to him, he has always performed and was one of the hardest workers on the team...been that way from high school to the pros. If he was such a malcontent and trouble maker the media tries to make him out to be, I doubt you would be seeing AP and other teammates riding for him as they are.

Dude I feel like Randy Moss, TO, etc. just created easy talking points for people to hate on WR's with explosive personalities.

If there is one thing about Percy... Dude always shows up and plays his ass off.

 

[B90X]

Breh... By saying when he is focused he one of the best players, but then saying he is not always focused, you're implying that his play suffers when he is "not focused"...

Well like I said before, dude always shows up on Sunday when he was in Purple and Gold...He must have amazing focus because even when he was having problems with Childress, he still played hard and sacrificed his body like he always does...

Sorry man, but you're wrong. Sure he is a "malcontent", but he play on the field has never suffered as far as I saw. he was getting better every year and I expect him to continue to get better as he enters his prime...

Okay...let me rephrase, then.
I'm basically saying he's not as good as he could be/should be, which I think is a fair assessment. Honestly, Harvin should be in the MVP talk every year.

But to say his play never suffered on game days is a straight up lie. If I wanted to, I could through his stat sheet and list multiple games over multiple seasons where he finished with under 50 yards receiving. Somebody with Harvin's talent/ability should never have games like that.

Maybe he works out, maybe he doesn't. I just don't think that he's a sure thing for the Seahawks...that all of a sudden now the Seahawks are the best team in the NFC when offense wasn't even their weakness last year.
I honestly think they panicked when other teams showed interest.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

First off... AP said he is the best all around player he ever "SAW" ... Im sure he has seen a lot of great players with his eyes

Also... when it comes to Percy, dude is a special player, he gets his stats i so many different ways, he will definitely earn his money. Not to mention, before he got hurt he was on pace to have his best year receiving(111 catchs and 1300-1400 yards receiving, 300 yards rushing, etc)

Dude's receiving stats are improving every year, and obviously Seattle's management sees that. I mean I just need to stop trying to show you in writing how good percy is. You'll see him twice a year and you'll be able to figure it out for yourself. His talent is pretty unique and it will be amplified with a good playcalling coaching staff and solid Qb who can throw on the move.

I know Percy Harvin is a good player, you don't have to prove that to me.

All i`m saying is he is not worth what the Seahawks gave up for him, but you should be overjoyed, you're a Vikings fan and now you're picking at like 23 and 26.

And the key to your statement is "before he got hurt". It seems like this guy is always nicked up in some way, shape or form.

My beef isn't with his talent, he is a good player. GOOD player, but he's not worth what they gave up for him, i`m glad they did though.

Seagals just helped us out in the future.

49ers have 4 picks in the top 75, Seattle has 1 in the top 86

 

[YouMadd?]

Okay...let me rephrase, then.
I'm basically saying he's not as good as he could be/should be, which I think is a fair assessment. Honestly, Harvin should be in the MVP talk every year.

But to say his play never suffered on game days is a straight up lie. If I wanted to, I could through his stat sheet and list multiple games over multiple seasons where he finished with under 50 yards receiving. Somebody with Harvin's talent/ability should never have games like that.

Maybe he works out, maybe he doesn't. I just don't think that he's a sure thing for the Seahawks...that all of a sudden now the Seahawks are the best team in the NFC when offense wasn't even their weakness last year.
I honestly think they panicked when other teams showed interest.

Ehh... Statistically he is improving every year, and this past season was the first time he had a legit show at MVP before he got hurt... in 2011 the coaches weren't using him the right way and the Vikes O sucked, 2010 same thing. 2009 he was a rookie and got offensive Rookie of the year. His game was all finally coming together this past season so saying he should be an MVP candidate every season is kind of BS. You build yourself up to becoming a great player most of the time, and he is doing that... Im sure if Seattle uses him correctly, he'll keep improving..

 

[YouMadd?]

I know Percy Harvin is a good player, you don't have to prove that to me.

All i`m saying is he is not worth what the Seahawks gave up for him, but you should be overjoyed, you're a Vikings fan and now you're picking at like 23 and 26.

And the key to your statement is "before he got hurt". It seems like this guy is always nicked up in some way, shape or form.

My beef isn't with his talent, he is a good player. GOOD player, but he's not worth what they gave up for him, i`m glad they did though.

Seagals just helped us out in the future.

49ers have 4 picks in the top 75, Seattle has 1 in the top 86

Ehh... He only missed 3 games prior to 2012-2013 season... and he really didn't have to miss half of the season in 2012-2013, but the staff put him on IR because they had plans to trade him. You guys are banking on him being injured, he played a full season in 2011-2012

And honestly... As a Vikes fan I am okay with getting all those picks, but I am sorry, a 25th overall pick in the draft isn't a sure thing either

I would very much rather sign Harvin to a long term deal and make it work. That is how talented he is. The way he plays is just, special, idk. The numbers don't paint the full picture. Guarantee he has a couple games next year where he scores TD's running, catching, and on a kickoff..

Hawks obviously want to win right NOW... If they don't win in the next 2-3 years than this trade was a failure on their side... If the Vikes don't sign a good free agent and draft a solid Wideout that pans out than it was a failure on our side... the only real guaranteed winner in this is Percy

 

[B90X]

Ehh... Statistically he is improving every year, and this past season was the first time he had a legit show at MVP before he got hurt... in 2011 the coaches weren't using him the right way and the Vikes O sucked, 2010 same thing. 2009 he was a rookie and got offensive Rookie of the year. His game was all finally coming together this past season so saying he should be an MVP candidate every season is kind of BS. You build yourself up to becoming a great player most of the time, and he is doing that... Im sure if Seattle uses him correctly, he'll keep improving..

I don't think saying he should be an MVP candidate every year is BS. He was offensive rookie of the year, why shouldn't he be considered an MVP candidate? He has a leg up on all other rookies that came into the league the same time he did.
Also, that "coaches weren't using him right" line is BS. How can you be offensive rookie of the year one year, but then the next it's "The coaches weren't using him right"?
That's the excuse people use when the player isn't performing as he should.

Also, his receiving yards have improved every year, but his YPC have actually dropped every year. His TD's are about the same, but basically for his career he's avereaged 70 receptions/826 yards/4 TD's.
Those are pedestrian numbers for Percy Harvin. He needs to step his game up...seriously

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

I would very much rather sign Harvin to a long term deal and make it work. That is how talented he is. The way he plays is just, special, idk. The numbers don't paint the full picture. Guarantee he has a couple games next year where he scores TD's running, catching, and on a kickoff..

I`m sure he does.

But he's not a transcendent WR worth all of the picks and money being given for him. That's my statement.

The whole he is "special" thing is whatever to me. Special is a guy who puts up the numbers consistently. He has plenty of games where he doesn't seem to make much of an impact.

Looking at 2011 as a WR

7 yards vs. SD
42 yards vs. KC
11 yards vs. AZ
15 yards vs. GB
8 yards vs. NO
47 yards vs. Detroit

But he`ll also have monster games, and I do understand he rushes the ball to, but overall it tells me he is a pretty inconsistent player not worth 3 draft picks and a contract that's gonna be around $10m a year

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

I don't think saying he should be an MVP candidate every year is BS. He was offensive rookie of the year, why shouldn't he be considered an MVP candidate? He has a leg up on all other rookies that came into the league the same time he did.
Also, that "coaches weren't using him right" line is BS. How can you be offensive rookie of the year one year, but then the next it's "The coaches weren't using him right"?
That's the excuse people use when the player isn't performing as he should.

Also, his receiving yards have improved every year, but his YPC have actually dropped every year. His TD's are about the same, but basically for his career he's avereaged 70 receptions/826 yards/4 TD's.
Those are pedestrian numbers for Percy Harvin. He needs to step his game up...seriously

It's not an excuse if it's true. The coaching staff wasnt utilizing him properly or getting him on the field enough, if you actually followed the team you would know this. Dude would routinely only see the field for half of team's offensive snaps. That was one of the first reasons he started wanting out of Minnesota and why he started getting into it with Brad Childress.

You keep talking about his recieving numbers but you fail to realize that he was more important for what he did all-around than just recieving. He played with Sidney Rice for 2 years and played on a run first team, of course his receiving numbers arent going to be as gaudy as other WR's.