Gnosticism the true religion? Out of all the religions it’s the only one that explains the nature of our world and why evil flourishes.

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You know I’ve been pondering on this idea for years that really the current chapter of our lives is training grounds to becoming “gods”or generally whatever is next, can’t prove it but it sounds right to me

I don’t subscribe to any religion, it can be all real or all fake as far as I’m concerned, No one can really state for assurance what is and what isn’t so I don’t understand the hostilities humans have with various religions
Power in numbers. Power over others.

Some people believe that the more people who share their beliefs, the less likely those beliefs are to be false. You know that old saying: "They all can't be wrong." While we recognize that yes, they absolutely can all be wrong, not everyone thinks that way.

So when belief systems clash, it's really a clash of worldviews and systems of control. That’s a big part of why there’s often hostility toward different religions, because those other belief systems pose an existential threat to people who believe a certain way, and also to those who maintain power through those beliefs.

That’s my take on it.
 

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no its persian fire worship

put two flames next to eachother and say who is harming the other one

you'll say: this fire was hotter and blame it and say the fire that was cooler must be like refreshing breastmilk when they are both technically burning you.

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thats why when Abraham went into the fire, he emerged and Haran did not. Mesopotamia and the Assyrians never could get it right because they confuse people like you into not understanding the finer ideas about language.
What is the relation to gnostic, or how its related to our understanding gnostic ?
 

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no its persian fire worship

put two flames next to eachother and say who is harming the other one

you'll say: this fire was hotter and blame it and say the fire that was cooler must be like refreshing breastmilk when they are both technically burning you.

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thats why when Abraham went into the fire, he emerged and Haran did not. Mesopotamia and the Assyrians never could get it right because they confuse people like you into not understanding the finer ideas about language.
What are you talking about? My statement was the basic backstory of Gnosticism. I am not talking about where it came from, or if it is some form of worship. I am speaking on the Lore of the belief system.
 

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Until recently the food on our planet was in finite supply. The only way to accrue resources and not have your family or village community starve was to steal other people’s food usually through conquest. Hell our very existence on this earth is predicated on destroying life, even if you are a vegetarian you must consume the living through violent action. Is God inherently violent?
are you trying to say you are God because the countries you are born in operate that way? so because someone else took your will from you without you understanding it now the entire world must be opposed to you?

let me show you a similar situation

when you were conceived the only thing you knew was caustic and uninhabitable period blood in your mothers uterus, despite all its attempts to absorb and eat you you survived because you being the vampire you are fed on your mothers blood without realizing it

you became so enormous compared to the hostile conditions that you no longer could stay in her and she forced you to live in her world without her blood to subsist on

with no freely available blood to consume you turned your attention to the nations that appear to be your mothers master

without considering if they are the very source she feeds on

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yes its tax season today :umad:


 

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What are you talking about? My statement was the basic backstory of Gnosticism. I am not talking about where it came from, or if it is some form of worship. I am speaking on the Lore of the belief system.
but you arent, you completely mixed three different ideas

and incoherently at that without explaining each source they came from. you're an intellectually and spiritually dishonest person and thats why i responded to you
 

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Power in numbers. Power over others.

Some people believe that the more people who share their beliefs, the less likely those beliefs are to be false. You know that old saying: "They all can't be wrong." While we recognize that yes, they absolutely can all be wrong, not everyone thinks that way.

So when belief systems clash, it's really a clash of worldviews and systems of control. That’s a big part of why there’s often hostility toward different religions, because those other belief systems pose an existential threat to people who believe a certain way, and also to those who maintain power through those beliefs.

That’s my take on it.
You got a point, I would like to think the avg person can see that religion is an huge battle of influence amongst various world leaders, but it only works if the avg person is ready to die for it
 

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Are existence depends on murdering each other?
Pretty much. if you have food on your plate that food was taken off the plate of someone else. Even in the modern world our western luxuries are only sustained because some impoverished person is being worked to death to supply our standard of living. Throughout history this has been the one consistent maxim. This is also the laws of nature. From one celled organisms devouring other one celled organism to Black holes eradicating galaxies.
 

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but you arent, you completely mixed three different ideas

and incoherently at that without explaining each source they came from. you're an intellectually and spiritually dishonest person and thats why i responded to you
No, I did not. Nothing of what I spoke about has anything to do with persian fire worship. Gnosticism was a Christian sect. You know what, show me your source that states Gnosticism is fire worship, and I will show you a source that states what it actually is.



  1. Gnosticism​



    Gnosticism is a religious and philosophical movement that originated before Christianity and peaked between the first and fifth centuries. Rooted in the Greek word for "knowledge," Gnosticism encompasses a variety of ancient belief systems that assert the material world was created by a lesser divine being known as the demiurge. Gnostics believe that Christ was an emissary of a higher, remote divine entity who imparted esoteric knowledge (gnosis) necessary for the redemption of the human spirit. The movement is characterized by its dualistic worldview, where the material body is seen as flawed and the spirit as divine.


  1. Gnosticism is notable for its syncretic nature, blending elements from various religious traditions including Judaism, paganism, and early Christianity. Key texts, such as those found in the Nag Hammadi library, illuminate alternative Christian narratives and teachings that were largely suppressed by the early Church. Although most Gnostic sects faded by the end of the sixth century, some beliefs continue to influence modern spiritual movements, including the Church of Latter Day Saints. Gnosticism also emphasized gender equality and the significance of female figures, such as Mary Magdalene, within its teachings and practices. The revival of interest in Gnosticism, particularly due to twentieth-century discoveries, highlights its complex role in the history of religious thought and spiritual consciousness.




 

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The "true" religion is whatever gives you peace in times of pain, helps guide your actions so you live a life that limits the suffering of yourself and others, and gives you the motivation to wake up every day and contribute to the world in a meaningful way.

The native Americans, central and southern africans, australians, and pacific islanders lived for thousands of years never knowing anything about Jesus, Mohammed, Buddah, Zeus, Rah, Moses, etc. They lived and died with their own understanding of their existence, their own interpretations of good and evil, and their own cosmology. Humans are wired to want meaning. It is the reason almost every child at one point in his or her life will start asking "why?" constantly when they learn what that word means. Language itself is something that evolved from the human need to assign meaning to things so we can communicate and understand.

People come up with explanations that make sense to them or they get vivid dreams or visions that fill in the blanks. They then go from there and hold on to those beliefs because it works for them. The idea of believing in a "true" religion while others which are just as old if not older are "fake" is a sign of childish narcissm and the desire to find value only in defining what you arent, rather than embracing what you are and what works for you. People who obsess over trying to invalidate other's belief systems betray a deep insecurity and fear they feel around having made the "wrong" choice. There is no wrong choice. Whatever you believe in strongly with everything you have, someone else believes something completely different with that same level of devotion. Understanding that and accepting that is a key part of growing up and being a mature adult.
 

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Gnosticism isn't one singular religion OP

It's an umbrella term for a bunch of beliefs that were around before Christianity was formally organized into a religion + denominations

Think it like a collection of rough drafts or demo tapes before the finished version we know dropped

Got some interesting concepts that do a better job explaining, but ultimately it's all just as credible as biblical canon. In other words, it's all claims but no proof

Worth a read in any case. Especially if you're interested in religion but don't actually believe in it. A lot of entertainment has taken inspiration from gnosticism after all. Don't know about you, but I'm a big fan of the Shin Megami Tensei series. Was a major influence in addition to Sci fi and traditional Japanese mythology. If you've never played on, do it :wow:

Nocturne HD and V Vengence are perfect entry points if you just want good game play mechanics. If you prefer a more in depth story, check out persona 3 reloaded or persona 5 royal. Most recent games and got enough content to hold you over a long time. Whichever you choose, can't recommend em enough. Both for their merits as games and cause they'll give you some more insight into gnosticism in a more entertaining way
 

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No, I did not. Nothing of what I spoke about has anything to do with persian fire worship. Gnosticism was a Christian sect. You know what, show me your source that states Gnosticism is fire worship, and I will show you a source that states what it actually is.
if you cant admit that that is what it is you simply arent worth talking to about it (using your own words from other responses)

im not going to insult you but i want to

you cant sit here and say "this material world is evil" and this "non material world is good" without understanding what has to be inbetween

i said to @Koichos a similar idea is the world between the Torah and the Talmud. One is solid like Iron while the other can be dismissed if its not acceptable

what emerges in between is still beautiful fire, it might burn but someone will dance around it

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but once again duality is unclean in the gnostic mind, but in the abrahamic mind duality is life and like marriage and like fertility.
 

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Pretty much. if you have food on your plate that food was taken off the plate of someone else. Even in the modern world our western luxuries are only sustained because some impoverished person is being worked to death to supply our standard of living. Throughout history this has been the one consistent maxim. This is also the laws of nature. From one celled organisms devouring other one celled organism to Black holes eradicating galaxies.
I don’t believe my food is only because someone else doesn’t have any

I don’t believe the world has to operate in such a way, I think that’s just something people want you to believe to justify certain behaviors, I’m not gon necessarily say we can live in a utopia but I definitely believe it’s corrupt entities in positions of power who believe in others being inferior, eugenics, all types of evil shyt, etc.

Really truth be told the tragedy of things is that the people not coming together to overthrow these entities
 

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Matter of fact, I personally believe we couldn’t even get as far as we did as “HUMANS” if it wasnt for collaboration, looking out for one another, trading l, and various other agreements amongst each other

People not here cause we killed each other the best
 

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I don’t believe my food is only because someone else doesn’t have any

I don’t believe the world has to operate in such a way, I think that’s just something people want you to believe to justify certain behaviors, I’m not gon necessarily say we can live in a utopia but I definitely believe it’s corrupt entities in positions of power who believe in others being inferior, eugenics, all types of evil shyt, etc.

Really truth be told the tragedy of things is that the people not coming together to overthrow these entities
tell these people

they dont understand the false psychologies that they parrot from politics whose sole purpose is to get votes

fundamentally they are vote getters (or in this forum's terms dap fishers)
 
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