God is “perfect”, right? What’s the definition of perfection?
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One could argue that if the god of the Bible is perfect and omnipotent then he saw all this coming he still created evil knowing it would betray him and still allowed his prescence m into the garden to corrupt man just to wipe out all of humanity later in a flood and leaving a world of poverty, starvation, and violence in its wake which he all could’ve prevented in the first place
According to the bible, God did saw all of it coming. His plan for redemption, Jesus, was mentioned even in the old testiment numerous times.
Judah will hold the royal scepter,
And his descendants will always rule.
Nations will bring him tribute
And bow in obedience before him. (Genesis 49:10)
The Lord says, “Bethlehem Ephrathah, you are one of the smallest towns in Judah, but out of you I will bring a ruler for Israel, whose family line goes back to ancient times.” (Micah 5:2)
The royal line of David is like a tree that has been cut down; but just as new branches sprout from a stump, so a new king will arise from among David’s descendants. (Isaiah 11:1)
IVS
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LMFAO! WhAaaa?!
The bible is concocted to make prophecies appear true STUPID HUMAN
The God of the Bible is evil, and thus the God of Israel is evil. If you support the bible or the god of israel you are evil too.
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This was my undergraduate thesis!
Resolving the Christian exhortation in Matt 5:28 to "Be ye perfect, even as your father in heaven is perfect."
It's a perplexing demand. But not when you really think about it.
Traditionally God has been considered by Christian mystics and theologians to be "that which nothing greater can be thought". I'm borrowing heavily from St. Anselm's definition.
It's a good one b/c is makes an extremely important distinction between what we think is the "greatest" vs. God's nature which will all surpass what we think we can understand. Essentially, defining God as always greater pays homage to the infinite, endless, transcendent nature of God's power.
Now that is all good and well...but how do we approach that perfection?
Well we have the same nature in our human potential.
Listen carefully: Much like God's perfection never stops surpassing our expectations, we mimic that perfect nature when we NEVER GIVE UP and never stop surpassing what we think is possible.
The process of us CONSTANTLY striving to be better is the manifestation of God's perfect nature in us. When we keep going against all doubts, in the face of utter hopelessness, beyond despair and disbelief, when we do not stop for pride or arrogance, when we do not allow life's many distractions to take us away from our divinity, when we keep doing better and better and better without ceasing---that tireless action is how we become or (are becoming) perfect even as God in heaven is perfect.
(I had so many people at my defense...them old ass white professors was talking bout that shyt for 5 hours straight---and I literally wrote that 52 page treatise in 2 days...but I was in the spirit so I take no credit.)
Humanity is divinity. The growing pains we experience in our journey to realizing it is our process of perfection.
I love life.
Resolving the Christian exhortation in Matt 5:28 to "Be ye perfect, even as your father in heaven is perfect."
It's a perplexing demand. But not when you really think about it.
Traditionally God has been considered by Christian mystics and theologians to be "that which nothing greater can be thought". I'm borrowing heavily from St. Anselm's definition.
It's a good one b/c is makes an extremely important distinction between what we think is the "greatest" vs. God's nature which will all surpass what we think we can understand. Essentially, defining God as always greater pays homage to the infinite, endless, transcendent nature of God's power.
Now that is all good and well...but how do we approach that perfection?
Well we have the same nature in our human potential.
Listen carefully: Much like God's perfection never stops surpassing our expectations, we mimic that perfect nature when we NEVER GIVE UP and never stop surpassing what we think is possible.
The process of us CONSTANTLY striving to be better is the manifestation of God's perfect nature in us. When we keep going against all doubts, in the face of utter hopelessness, beyond despair and disbelief, when we do not stop for pride or arrogance, when we do not allow life's many distractions to take us away from our divinity, when we keep doing better and better and better without ceasing---that tireless action is how we become or (are becoming) perfect even as God in heaven is perfect.
(I had so many people at my defense...them old ass white professors was talking bout that shyt for 5 hours straight---and I literally wrote that 52 page treatise in 2 days...but I was in the spirit so I take no credit.)
Humanity is divinity. The growing pains we experience in our journey to realizing it is our process of perfection.
I love life.
IVS
Superstar
You deserved an F for writing and expanding upon utter nonsense and sophistry. WTF is God perfection...How about there is no such thing as perfection, and its a word Stupid humans invented, and later falsely applied to their evil god of the Bible.This was my undergraduate thesis!
Resolving the Christian exhortation in Matt 5:28 to "Be ye perfect, even as your father in heaven is perfect."
It's a perplexing demand. But not when you really think about it.
Traditionally God has been considered by Christian mystics and theologians to be "that which nothing greater can be thought". I'm borrowing heavily from St. Anselm's definition.
It's a good one b/c is makes an extremely important distinction between what we think is the "greatest" vs. God's nature which will all surpass what we think we can understand. Essentially, defining God as always greater pays homage to the infinite, endless, transcendent nature of God's power.
Now that is all good and well...but how do we approach that perfection?
Well we have the same nature in our human potential.
Listen carefully: Much like God's perfection never stops surpassing our expectations, we mimic that perfect nature when we NEVER GIVE UP and never stop surpassing what we think is possible.
The process of us CONSTANTLY striving to be better is the manifestation of God's perfect nature in us. When we keep going against all doubts, in the face of utter hopelessness, beyond despair and disbelief, when we do not stop for pride or arrogance, when we do not allow life's many distractions to take us away from our divinity, when we keep doing better and better and better without ceasing---that tireless action is how we become or (are becoming) perfect even as God in heaven is perfect.
(I had so many people at my defense...them old ass white professors was talking bout that shyt for 5 hours straight---and I literally wrote that 52 page treatise in 2 days...but I was in the spirit so I take no credit.)
Humanity is divinity. The growing pains we experience in our journey to realizing it is our process of perfection.
KyokushinKarateMan
Train hard, fight easy
Why do you assume "Perfection" doesn't involve, pain, disorder and chaos? You're looking at if from a subjective standpoint and not objective. If u look at it from outside of yourself its no different then making the "Perfect" birthday cake. You obviously dont care about the eggs taken from the mother chicken and the baby chicken killed to make the cake nor do you care about the cartel wars for the sugar cane fields involved in contributing to the sugar you put in that cake. All you care about is the cake being "perfect" in its final stage.
Also....Who's to say we aren't in the middle of being in the state of "perfection?" Like when the cake has just been placed in the oven, if u pull it out after 5 minutes its not fully cooked and therefore cant be a "perfect" cake yet. If a trillion years is 1 second to God then we have to acknowledge that we are slap dab in the middle of infinity, we haven't reached that "perfect" state yet like a cake with the residue of a chickens dead baby thats only been in the oven for 5 minutes. But as time progresses "Perfection" will finally be reached, like the final stage in the process of making the perfect cake.
I could barely get past the first line, considering I have been very clear on what I believe perfection to be and what I would like to know it to be. So let me just say this first- if you’re not trying to address this on an adult level please excuse yourself. No spaced out wonder-antics. No hypothetical filler.
Secondly, regardless of my personal definition of perfection- ANYTHING that involves “pain disorder or chaos” is going to be about as far from being a perfect thing, as a thing could get. No matter whose definition you’re trying to go by.
So my question, again, is what is Gods definition of perfect, when nothing He’s created has turned out to be perfect.. which, in turn, makes He Himself flawed?
No juelzing please. I just want to know what does He consider perfect, when He’s saying that He’s perfect and that we’re created in His image(meaning we were created perfect)?
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KyokushinKarateMan
Train hard, fight easy
Okay. Now can you answer my question? And I’m not trying to be funny, but you didn’t even come within a mile of even trying to answer the simple question that I asked.
KyokushinKarateMan
Train hard, fight easy
That is fine, I understand our definition may be different than his(which I’ve already acknowledged multiple times in the OP and a few times since that but, coli posters gon coli..)
Now can you tell me what His definition is(as I’ve asked in the OP about 3 times and about 3 more times since, only to be juelz’d to death)?
KyokushinKarateMan
Train hard, fight easy
That’s another point that I’ve wondered about many times in my life, and when I ask about it, I gets juelz’d to oblivion. How hard is it just to answer why, if God is all knowing all powerful AND perfect, does Evil exist AND run rampant? How is it that what ADAM and Eve(two people HE created, we didn’t make them) did, end up being OUR fault. And why are we supposed to be thankful for this? We’ve all literally been thrown into a f*ckfest of egotism and are supposed to be happy about it. I don’t get it. People are always saying Jesus died for our sins. But if I’m understanding correctly, Jesus died way before I ever even existed let alone knew what a sin was. How is whatever happened to him, my fault? I seriously would like to know. And how does a perfect, all powerful, all knowing Being end up having to sacrifice his own son? Or what made him think that would fix anything? And what, exactly, was that supposed to fix anyway? And how? Like, how did sacrificing your only son make ME perfect or my life better? I really want to know! I’m not challenging, I’m asking! I want to know!
I answered your question earlier but let me try to articulate it another way. What's perfect to me may not be perfect to you. What's perfect for you may not be perfect for someone else. Meanwhile what we deem as perfect is nowhere close to what God intends.
Plankton
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I could barely get past the first line, considering I have been very clear on what I believe perfection to be and what I would like to know it to be. So let me just say this first- if you’re not trying to address this on an adult level please excuse yourself. No spaced out wonder-antics. No hypothetical filler.
Secondly, regardless of my personal definition of perfection- ANYTHING that involves “pain disorder or chaos” is about going to be about as far from being a perfect thing as a thing could get. No matter whose definition you’re trying to go by.
So my question, again, is what is Gods definition of perfect, when nothing he’s created has turned out to be perfect, which, in turn, makes He Himself flawed?
No juelzing please. I just want to know what does she consider perfect, when he’s saying that He’s perfect and that we’re created in His image(meaning we were created perfect)?
I disagree with the bolded. Again you keep going by your defintion of "perfection" but Ask a mother who loves her child if the "pain" wasn't worth the "perfect" gift from God in the form of her child. The term 'no pain no gain' is for a reason. You want that "perfect" chizzled body of a God you gonna have to hit the gym and those muscles are going to have to ache.
Ever thought about this. What if your defintion of "perfection" is wrong? Like I said we are in the middle of infinity like a cake only 5 minutes in the oven. The final product is the perfect cake. You keep focusing on the cake being in the oven for only 5 minutes. The cake isnt finished yet(thats were the pain is)...Once it finishes it will be molded into the perfect cake(as if life evolved to where pain no longer exists) like time molding existance into perfection. But instead you're focused on the labor pains and not the baby once its out the mother. You're focused on the pain from lifting the weights instead of the chizzled body all after the fact. You're focused on the cake 5 minutes in the oven and not the perfect cake to serve at a party.
Bottom line, "Perfection" is an evolutionary process....We are just in the middle caught up in time where our perception of "Perfection" hasn't been reached yet while infinite and perfection has already happened in Gods time. With that said I can assume we all will see this "Perfection" in its final form after we leave this plane.
People don't realize what they have until it's gone. Eve ate of the fruit of knowledge between good and evil, and hence we are birthed into this world with both good and evil so that we can learn the distinction between the two. It's this experience that will actually enable one to appreciate what good really is after getting a taste of what evil is... sort of like you don't realize how good parents you have until you've seen what some other people have went through with their families or you don't realize how blessed your living situation is until you see how others are living across the world. In the infinite exists all possibilities. In order to appreciate the perfection of God, which we are not currently privy to, we are stuck here experiencing the limited presence of God as opposed to His FULL presence.
The purpose of sacrifice is for atonement. If someone does you wrong, you want them to pay some sort of penalty, if not recompense you in some form or fashion. Punishment is necessary for law to be adhered to and recompense is necessary to make those who are wronged to fill justified.
The purpose of sacrifice is for atonement. If someone does you wrong, you want them to pay some sort of penalty, if not recompense you in some form or fashion. Punishment is necessary for law to be adhered to and recompense is necessary to make those who are wronged to fill justified.
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