Goku and Vegeta vs. Superman and Flash
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-Vegets blowing up the planet was filler, Piccolo blowing up moon means little to nothing because it doesn't compare to Superman destroying planets simply by fighting on it
-Kid Buu creating wormholes means nothing. That's not what a black hole is, dummy. One of them is pretty much a portal and the other is a BLACK HOLE that literally has gravity so strong that light can't even escape from it. Not the same thing, try again
So show me the proof they move faster than light. This is Goku in the BUU SAGA struggling with 40 tons
again bad writing,vegeta could destroy planets before turning super saiyan but we all know goku is stronger than vegeta
supes and flash are cosmic level. theres no universal distinction
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Goku is faster than light-Vegets blowing up the planet was filler, Piccolo blowing up moon means little to nothing because it doesn't compare to Superman destroying planets simply by fighting on it
-Kid Buu creating wormholes means nothing. That's not what a black hole is, dummy. One of them is pretty much a portal and the other is a BLACK HOLE that literally has gravity so strong that light can't even escape from it. Not the same thing, try again
So show me the proof they move faster than light. This is Goku in the BUU SAGA struggling with 40 tons
Goku can punch through planets in his weaker form
Goku can also easily keep up with Beerus who should be more powerful than Supes
Cosmic level?
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Why is Flash starting to get so much attention
it denotes at least planet busting characters up to multiversal beings and gods
But how exactly are Flash and Superman cosmic level?
supes escaped a black hole, bench pressed an equivalent of the earth for days without getting tired, and destroyed a reality destroying ship
flashes have run to the past, the future. outrun death itself, at the end of COIE when barry was assumed dead, he really landed in the marvel universe and became the fastest man there
Before DBS, he could barely use it in combat. He had to trick Cell to use it and use misdirection in combat with the IT Kamehameha
Based off what? We've seen plenty of stronger attacks create craters on the ground. Frieda was destroying planets by destabilizing the core.
Punching through that tiny planet doesn't mean shyt. Superman was destroying realities and causing planets to be destroyed by punching NEAR a planet.
And again, show some proof that Goku is faster than light. Whis and Beerus are but Goku is an ant compared to them.
Superman held a black hole, in his hand, that would have destroyed a fukking solar system.
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Assuming:
GOATku and Vegeta get DB,DBZ and DBS feats.
Superman and Flash get post-crisis, N52 and Rebirth feats.
Both series have inconsistent feats, but it's worse with Dragonball since it is one author as opposed to hundreds.
Strength
-Lifting Strength. Flash is the weakest here, a gap between Goku and Vegeta then a solar system sized wide gap between them and Superman. This only really matters for grappling tough.
That was five days continuously without any sunlight and he only had (literally) a single drop of sweat afterwards. This is low end for him, he should be capable of more.
-Striking Strength. Flash is again the weakest here, Superman comes up second capable of shaking the planet with aftershocks of his punches and even destroying them. Goku did the same against Beerus but on a universe wide scale so he tops out here. I'll scale Vegeta to Goku since they are at similar levels of power.
Speed
-Travel Speed: Flash MVP, no one is as fast as him here, speedforce OP. Superman is second he has crossed galaxy sized distances in moments. Goku and Vegeta are hypersonic at best.
-Combat Speed: Much closer but DC has the advantage, Flash and Superman can both increase their own reflexes/perceptions to attosecond speeds, that's important because then they have valuable time to think of and coordinate a plan. Goku and Vegeta should be fast enough to the point this option won't be abused.
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Durability.
-Flash is the weakest, Goku and Vegeta second (wildly inconsistent, they can tank ki blasts from people capable of blowing up planets, then get hurt by bullets and lasers, or can't stay near earth's core too long). Superman has the most consistent durability feats, you really need Kryptonite or a red sun to kill the guy bar having the pure strength to do so.
-Stamina.
-Goku and Vegeta get tired, Flash and Superman do not. Ki takes a lot on the body, hence their constant need for senzu beans.
Extra's:
-DBZ are far superior Martial Artists, Superman's brawling style won't do shyt here. He will get clowned in prolonged CQC.
-Heat Vision might cancel out Ki Blasts, otherwise DBZ has the range advantage.
-DC has the superior intellect. Vegeta is a good tactician and Goku is a fighting savant but Superman and Flash are geniuses who's cognitive ability functions at far faster than light speeds. They also have experience fighting varied enemies.
-3/4 combats have true, free flight. Flash frankly can't do much from the ground. However, Sayain pride won't allow them to doubleteam Kal.
-If they fuse, Team DC is fukked.
-All this is rendered moot, if Superman decides to sacrifice Flash and blow up the planet. Sayains can't survive unprotected in space. This isn't likely though.
- This will basically be Goku and Vegeta taking turns fighting Superman. They can't touch Flash. As long as they are under a yellow sun, Clark won't get tired. They need to finish quickly, they can't win a prolonged fight. If they fuse it will be Gogeta, not Vegito who would make this a stomp.
It can go either way, but Flash is a ghost in this fight, bad partner if they keep it in the air. Green Lantern would be better.
If they act in character, DC would win. Goku and Vegeta's pride is a huge disadvantage. If they are smart and work together they will win.
INCREDIBLY GEEKY POST INCOMING.
Assuming:
GOATku and Vegeta get DB,DBZ and DBS feats.
Superman and Flash get post-crisis, N52 and Rebirth feats.
Both series have inconsistent feats, but it's worse with Dragonball since it is one author as opposed to hundreds.
Strength
-Lifting Strength. Flash is the weakest here, a gap between Goku and Vegeta then a solar system sized wide gap between them and Superman. This only really matters for grappling tough.
-Striking Strength. Flash is again the weakest here, Superman comes up second capable of shaking the planet with aftershocks of his punches and even destroying them. Goku did the same against Beerus but on a universe wide scale so he tops out here. I'll scale Vegeta to Goku since they are at similar levels of power.
Speed
-Travel Speed: Flash MVP, no one is as fast as him here, speedforce OP. Superman is second he has crossed galaxy sized distances in moments. Goku and Vegeta are hypersonic at best.
-Combat Speed: Much closer but DC has the advantage, Flash and Superman can both increase their own reflexes/perceptions to attosecond speeds, that's important because then they have valuable time to think of and coordinate a plan. Goku and Vegeta should be fast enough to the point this option won't be abused.
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Durability.
-Flash is the weakest, Goku and Vegeta second (wildly inconsistent, they can tank ki blasts from people capable of blowing up planets, then get hurt by bullets and lasers, or can't stay near earth's core too long). Superman has the most consistent durability feats, you really need Kryptonite or a red sun to kill the guy bar having the pure strength to do so.
-Stamina.
-Goku and Vegeta get tired, Flash and Superman do not. Ki takes a lot on the body, hence their constant need for senzu beans.
Extra's:
-DBZ are far superior Martial Artists, Superman's brawling style won't do shyt here. He will get clowned in prolonged CQC.
-Heat Vision might cancel out Ki Blasts, otherwise DBZ has the range advantage.
-DC has the superior intellect. Vegeta is a good tactician and Goku is a fighting savant but Superman and Flash are geniuses who's cognitive ability functions at far faster than light speeds. They also have experience fighting varied enemies.
-3/4 combats have true, free flight. Flash frankly can't do much from the ground. However, Sayain pride won't allow them to doubleteam Kal.
-If they fuse, Team DC is fukked.
-All this is rendered moot, if Superman decides to sacrifice Flash and blow up the planet. Sayains can't survive unprotected in space. This isn't likely though.
- This will basically be Goku and Vegeta taking turns fighting Superman. They can't touch Flash. As long as they are under a yellow sun, Clark won't get tired. They need to finish quickly, they can't win a prolonged fight. If they fuse it will be Gogeta, not Vegito who would make this a stomp.
It can go either way, but Flash is a ghost in this fight, bad partner if they keep it in the air. Green Lantern would be better.
If they act in character, DC would win. Goku and Vegeta's pride is a huge disadvantage. If they are smart and work together they will win.
Y'all nikkas out here with no proof that any DBZ character is faster than light speed (Outside of Whis and Beerus) but I got multiple examples of them moving much lower plus isn't a single concrete number substantiating y'all claim.
I got examples of Base Goku STRUGGLING with 40 tons, a concrete number, and y'all are ignoring it.
Superman has MULTIPLE FEATS of him moving much faster than light and has stated reasons why he doesn't just use light speed all the time (Because no speed force means he'd destroy everything on Earth).
-Superman can measure the time between NANO-SECONDS with no problem
-Superman being frozen in time but moving so fast he negates it (Aka a feat that Goku couldn't do until he used SSB and Kaio Ken against Hit)
-Superman and Flash having a conversation while time has literally crawled to a stop around them
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-Superman vibrating his molecules and the molecules of the entire planet so fast that he phased it through another planet
Y'all nikkas just don't know. Superman is fukking strong. Y'all upping planet destruction when Superman tanks fukking SUPERNOVAS IN HIS FACE.
I got examples of Base Goku STRUGGLING with 40 tons, a concrete number, and y'all are ignoring it.
Superman has MULTIPLE FEATS of him moving much faster than light and has stated reasons why he doesn't just use light speed all the time (Because no speed force means he'd destroy everything on Earth).
-Superman can measure the time between NANO-SECONDS with no problem
-Superman being frozen in time but moving so fast he negates it (Aka a feat that Goku couldn't do until he used SSB and Kaio Ken against Hit)
-Superman and Flash having a conversation while time has literally crawled to a stop around them
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-Superman vibrating his molecules and the molecules of the entire planet so fast that he phased it through another planet
Y'all nikkas just don't know. Superman is fukking strong. Y'all upping planet destruction when Superman tanks fukking SUPERNOVAS IN HIS FACE.
But how useful would that be in a fight with flash?
Goku can teleport faster than light, but he can't move or fight faster than light.
Goku is not that fast.
They MAY put up a fight with superman but flash is unstoppable with his power set.
Comicbooks don't make alot of sense sometimes. Theres tons of bad example's you could use to show these characters being weaker than goku and vegeta, but there's just as many examples of sups and flash being fars stronger as well.
Superman sneezed and destroyed a universe.