Google and Universal Music negotiate deal over AI ‘deepfakes’

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Google and Universal Music negotiate deal over AI ‘deepfakes’

Google and Universal Music are in talks to license artists’ melodies and voices for songs generated by artificial intelligence as the music business tries to monetise one of its biggest threats.

The discussions, confirmed by four people familiar with the matter, aim to strike a partnership for an industry that is grappling with the implications of new AI technology.

The rise of generative AI has bred a surge in “deepfake” songs that can convincingly mimic the voices, lyrics or sound of established artists, often without their consent.


Frank Sinatra’s voice has been used on a version of the hip-hop song “Gangsta’s Paradise” while Johnny Cash’s has been deployed on the pop single “Barbie Girl”. A YouTube user called PluggingAI offers songs imitating the voices of the deceased rappers Tupac and Notorious B.I.G.

“An artist’s voice is often the most valuable part of their livelihood and public persona, and to steal it, no matter the means, is wrong,” Universal Music general counsel Jeffrey Harleston told US lawmakers last month.

Discussions between Google and Universal Music are at an early stage and no product launch is imminent, but the goal is to develop a tool for fans to create these tracks legitimately, and pay the owners of the copyrights for it, said people close to the situation. Artists would have the choice to opt in, the people said.

Warner Music, the third-largest music label, has also been talking to Google about a product, said a person familiar with the matter.


Music executives liken the rise of AI-generated songs to the earlier days of Google-owned YouTube, when users began adding popular songs as the soundtracks to videos they created. The music industry spent years battling with YouTube over copyright infringement, but the two sides established a system that now pays the music industry about $2bn a year for these user-generated videos.

As AI has gained traction, some big stars have expressed anxiety that their work will be diluted by fake versions of their songs and voices.

The issue was thrust into the spotlight earlier this year when an AI-produced song that mimicked the voices of Drake and The Weeknd went viral online. Universal Music, home to Drake, Taylor Swift and other popular musicians, had the song removed from streaming platforms over copyright infringement.

Drake in April slammed another song that used AI to mimic his voice, calling it “the final straw”, while rapper Ice Cube has described such cloned tracks as “demonic”.


Other artists have embraced the technology. Grimes, the electronic artist, has offered to let people use her voice in AI-generated songs and split the royalties.

“There’s some good stuff,” she told Wired magazine this week, referencing AI tracks using her voice. “They’re so in line with what my new album might be like that it was sort of disturbing . . . On the other hand, it’s like, ‘Oh, sick, I might get to live forever.’ I’m into self-replication.”

Robert Kyncl, chief executive of Warner Music, on Tuesday told investors that “with the right framework in place”, AI could “enable fans to pay their heroes the ultimate compliment through a new level of user-driven content . . . including new cover versions and mash-ups”.

He added that artists should have a choice to opt in. “There are some that may not like it, and that’s totally fine,” he said.

For Google, creating a music product could help the company compete with rivals such as Microsoft, which has invested $10bn in leading AI company OpenAI, owner of the market-leading AI model known as GPT-4.

The model has already been integrated into Microsoft’s Bing search engine and productivity software, and Google has raced to catch up by launching its own AI products such as the chatbot Bard.

Universal Music in April urged streaming platforms to prevent AI services scraping their songs without permission or payment, the Financial Times reported. The company, which controls about a third of the global music market, asked Spotify and Apple to cut off access to its music catalogue for developers using it to train AI technology.

Lyor Cohen, a former record label executive who leads YouTube’s music division, has been working on the project for Google, according to people familiar with the matter.

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In January, Google previewed an AI-powered music software in an academic paper that was able to generate music from text descriptions such as “upbeat arcade game” or “reggaeton fused with electronic dance” and more detailed prompts like “a calming violin melody backed by a distorted guitar riff”.

At the time, it said it had “no plans” to release the tool commercially, and the authors pointed out limitations, including potential copyright infringement, when the software reproduced specific artists’ music from its training data. In May, however, Google released the experimental tool known as MusicLM to consumers and said it had been working in collaboration with artists to develop it.

Google and Universal Music declined to comment
 

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told yall this why they been buying catalogs. art is cooked

buying the catalog is only for the rights of their music that was sold and potential future music by the artist. Not for AI deepfake songs.

However, I can see some artists having another AI publishing deal to allow their deepfaked voices to be used as long as they get a cut.

I just hope that AI Generated songs are labelled as so.
 

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buying the catalog is only for the rights of their music that was sold and potential future music by the artist. Not for AI deepfake songs.

However, I can see some artists having another AI publishing deal to allow their deepfaked voices to be used as long as they get a cut.

I just hope that AI Generated songs are labelled as so.

they own the rights to the songs they can authorize the melodies and rhythms to be used for deepfakes
 

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they own the rights to the songs they can authorize the melodies and rhythms to be used for deepfakes

But the artist has to agree, they said it themselves. Same reason why a lot of old artists are looking for their cuts on streaming music since that was not part of the landscape years ago.
 

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buying the catalog is only for the rights of their music that was sold and potential future music by the artist. Not for AI deepfake songs.

However, I can see some artists having another AI publishing deal to allow their deepfaked voices to be used as long as they get a cut.

I just hope that AI Generated songs are labelled as so.
Have we even seen the terms of these songs?
 

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Was going to happen eventually. Prolly be the next biggest thing if you can also get a cut of the streams since you made it.

Would be nice to hear old school wiz and Wayne on some 08 johnny juliano beats
 

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Gives artists another revenue stream so they can tour less :manny:

And if the creator can make money off it too then :mjlit: it's time for the coli A&R's to prove they know what the fukk they talking about :sas2:
 

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Them equating this to what happened with YouTube is crazy wild. Straight up gas lighting.

And to the person who pointed out all the private equity companies gobbling up catalogues and masters and artists thinking they could just re-record new masters……LOL. Hope that lump sum payout was enough.

AI video is about a year away from not needing any human actors at all. I’m running all of that right now on my PC via stablediffusion and a couple 3rd party services and it’s on the cusp of a breakthrough. Actors better get their shyt together and be ready to hold out as long as they can.

First it will start with none of them getting paid for reshoots and it being done in a computer. Then it will be “we just need you for principle photography and we will fill in the blanks” and then it will be “can you come in for a new scan” with no acting at all.

Before you know it…
 

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But the artist has to agree, they said it themselves. Same reason why a lot of old artists are looking for their cuts on streaming music since that was not part of the landscape years ago.

No, the artist doesn't have to agree after they've sold the rights.

You really think they're gonna give an artist millions to not be able to use the content how they want?

This is like selling your house and then thinking that you'll have control over what color they paint the walls.
 

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No, the artist doesn't have to agree after they've sold the rights.

You really think they're gonna give an artist millions to not be able to use the content how they want?

This is like selling your house and then thinking that you'll have control over what color they paint the walls.

I dunno about that. Using their existing content from their already made catalog does not mean you can use an AI voice render to me.
 
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