GOP Destroys Their Own Talking Points re. Obamacare

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From the Washington post: Opinion | In leaked audio, Republicans destroy their own public talking points on Obamacare

In leaked audio, Republicans destroy their own public talking points on Obamacare

By Greg Sargent January 27 at 3:20 PM

The Post’s Mike DeBonis has obtained leaked audio of Republicans at a closed-door session airing serious anxieties about the GOP’s strategy to repeal and replace Obamacare. What’s remarkable is how decisively their specific comments in private undercut the party’s public, carefully-crafted talking points about the battle to come.

Now, to be clear, these private comments reveal Republicans actually wrestling with the policy challenges that repeal (and replace) will create, which is a good thing as far as it goes. However, in so doing, they basically admit in various ways that Republicans will be responsible for the mess that repealing the law — which would probably be done on a delay while Republicans come up with a replacement — is expected to make.

For instance:

Senators and House members expressed a range of concerns about the task ahead: how to prepare a replacement plan that can be ready to launch at the time of repeal; how to avoid deep damage to the health insurance market; how to keep premiums affordable for middle-class families; even how to avoid the political consequences of defunding Planned Parenthood, the women’s health-care organization, as many Republicans hope to do with the repeal of the ACA.

“We’d better be sure that we’re prepared to live with the market we’ve created” with repeal, said Rep. Tom McClintock (R-Calif.). “That’s going to be called Trumpcare. Republicans will own that lock, stock and barrel, and we’ll be judged in the election less than two years away.”

The notion that Republicans will have “created” the state of the market that results after repeal, and that they will “own” that outcome, is refreshing to hear. Republicans have employed a series of overwrought formulations and tortured metaphors that are designed to suggest that, because Obamacare is already allegedly collapsing, Republicans are merely stepping in with a “rescue mission” to arrest that damage, while building a “bridge” to an as-yet-unspecified replacement. The game there has been to preemptively lay the groundwork to claim later that whatever consequences are unleashed by repealing the law were already in motion, and were not created by repeal itself.

This is not to deny that Obamacare is going through some difficulties right now. But the Republican rhetoric about its supposed collapse and implosion is just nonsense. For a good, balanced look at the situation, see this piece by Jonathan Cohn. As he reports, while experts are by no means unanimous on this conclusion, a number believe that the ACA marketplaces are generally stable. They say that much of the criticism is based on cherry-picked evidence and that the doomsday talk is overblown (the supposedly soaring premiums are actually where they were expected to be) or absurd (the notion of a death spiral is belied by robust enrollment). They add that the most immediate threat to the law is Republican efforts to gum up the works, say with executive actions by President Trump, or through repeal on a delay that leads insurers to exit the marketplaces because of uncertainty that any GOP replacement will ever materialize.

Behind closed doors, Republicans are admitting that such an outcome will be their own creation. (In fairness, some, such as Pete Sessions, are also saying this publicly.)

Also note this from the leaked audio:

Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio) warned his colleagues that the estimated budget savings from passing the Obamacare repeal bill — which could approach a half-trillion dollars — are needed to fund the costs of setting up a replacement. “This is going to be what we’ll need to be able to move to that transition,” he said.

Portman seems to be suggesting that Republicans face real danger in repealing the law, because so doing would also repeal its tax hikes — yet Republicans will need that revenue to pay for any replacement coverage. The implicit admission here is that it will be very hard for Republicans, having repealed the ACA, to pass a replacement that, in effect, would require new spending — and a way to pay for it. Yes, it turns out that to cover people, we have to spend money, and yes, that money has to come from somewhere.

And this:

Rep. Tom MacArthur (R-N.J.) also worried that the plans under GOP consideration could eviscerate coverage for the roughly 20 million Americans now covered through state and federal marketplaces, as well as those covered under Medicaid expansion: “We’re telling those people that we’re not going to pull the rug out from under them, and if we do this too fast, we are in fact going to pull the rug out from under them.”

Republicans have worked very hard to obscure whether their eventual replacement will cause those who have coverage now under Obamacare to lose it. They have done this by suggesting that no one will lose coverage during the transition, without saying whether they will lose it under the eventual GOP replacement. Trump himself has said that “everybody” will be covered under the GOP plan that replaces the ACA, and in early January, top adviser Kellyanne Conway also flatly stated this to be the case. But then Conway subsequently fudged that promise, saying instead that everyone would have coverage “during the transition time,” which doesn’t mean under the GOP replacement. Yet here you have Rep. MacArthur flatly admitting that an outcome which involves widespread loss of coverage is very possible.

To reiterate, it is useful to see Republicans wrestling with the fact that repeal (and replace) will bring major challenges and could produce a terrible outcome in humanitarian terms. But we have to ask: Given that Republicans have supposedly been preparing for the chance to repeal (and replace) the ACA for years, why do they seem so surprised by this?
They've had eight years and it sounds like they just started a rough draft.
 

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:mjlol:Eight fukking years over 60 votes to repeal and these fucbois don't have a fukking plan yet. :martin:Dems need to just let these idiots and Trump hang themselves.:hubie:
They do have a plan. A marvelous plan. To witness it in all its glory, nominate their choice for health and services, and you're going to have so much healthcare you're going to want to be on your deathbed.
 

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That's because all they wanted to do was repeal it. They didn't want to go through all the mumbo-jumbo details - they just wanted to delete the whole thing and them go home feeling good at being such an awesome conservative.

Obama's biggest domestic trap for them, really. Even this imperfect healthcare plan is a complete minefield for the repubs. I wouldn't be surprised if they all turn into little mumblers in about a month or so.

Too bad Trump is a loudmouth. :mjlol: Hopefully Trump turns on the repubs on this.
 

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They wisely know elections are next year and if there's 20 million losing healthcare they will own it.

I always thought they just wanted to go back to pre-ACA days.

But the reality is that hospitals have been helped out big time with Medicaid expansion

Imagine if we had single payer
 

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Watch the same stupid cacs that lost their healthcare still vote republican next year :mjlol:

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket."

LBJ was a racist prick but that quote is one of the goats :wow:
 
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Ron Paul gave them a plan, they rejected it, not enough monetary kick back. Not surprised though GOP and DNC are more alike than different and the goal for them is incrementalism.
Nah it ain't even that complicated they will do whatever their donors tell them.
 

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Obama's biggest domestic trap for them, really. Even this imperfect healthcare plan is a complete minefield for the repubs. I wouldn't be surprised if they all turn into little mumblers in about a month or so.
Agreed. Since it looked like the repealing of it was inevitable, I've said I wanted to meet the group that drafted the legislation. It,in effect, can't exist without the other parts which makes it a clusterfukk for conservatives who want to pick what they want to keep. Seriously flawed but an amazingly constructed piece of work.
 

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That's because all they wanted to do was repeal it. They didn't want to go through all the mumbo-jumbo details - they just wanted to delete the whole thing and them go home feeling good at being such an awesome conservative.

Obama's biggest domestic trap for them, really. Even this imperfect healthcare plan is a complete minefield for the repubs. I wouldn't be surprised if they all turn into little mumblers in about a month or so.

Too bad Trump is a loudmouth. :mjlol: Hopefully Trump turns on the repubs on this.

Between this, the TPP, NAFTA, Gitmo, Cuba, etc there are so many landmines by the GOAT strategist president Obama :salute: It would take someone a lot smarter than Trump and these set of Republicans to "de-Obama", the current political sphere. They will make a few cursory changes and slap a new name on it. What they hate is that a black man outsmarted them, and they want to erase all the progress he made. Unfortunately they might destroy their country in the process :mjlol:
 

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They do have a plan. A marvelous plan. To witness it in all its glory, nominate their choice for health and services, and you're going to have so much healthcare you're going to want to be on your deathbed.
:snoop: can't believe people fell for this empty rhetoric.
 
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