GOP’s Rand Paul Calls For 14.5% Flat Tax

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I think it's a little bit authoritarian for one man with no background in accounting to decide what the definitive tax across the land could be.

It seems to me these flat tax people really all get in the game, pick an arbitrary number around 10%, and then hope they get picked so that in 250 years people call it the 'Rand Paul Tax'.

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True. It was the 9/9/9 plan I think he called it.
But does Rand Paul just want a flat tax on Income, or is he proposing eliminating the sales tax? Cause for California for example sales tax is already 8%. So my understanding is it would then be 14% income AND still the 8% sales.

Is this correct, or is he talking about removing the sales tax or also setting it to 14.5 % ??

Rand Paul's tax proposal is only for federal tax. It wouldn't replace any state or local taxes.
 

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Rand Paul's tax proposal is only for federal tax. It wouldn't replace any state or local taxes.
Yeah, see thats what I thought.
That means Herman Cain's 9/9/9 plan that ppl were shytting on a few years back was considerably lower. Cause this would be like 14/8/? or something.
 
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By his own admission, this would decrease revenue by $200 billion per year, a nearly 50% increase on Obama’s current deficits. To avoid this, Rand says that he would cut as-yet unspecified spending programs.

To Rand’s credit, some of these cuts could come from the military. His budget proposal in 2013 included about an 11% cut to military spending: from a projected $588 billion in 2014 to $521 billion after that. Of course, that wouldn’t be anywhere near enough to pay for his tax plan, and Rand didn’t have to impress GOP primary voters at that time, so if he intends to make the math work to get his tax plan to revenue neutrality, he’s certainly going to have to go after lots of domestic programs. Past legislative campaigns against the Department of Education, Medicaid and food stamps, which Rand Paul has not-to-subtlely called “slavery.”


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Food stamps are a cornerstone of the American social safety net, and produce remarkably efficient economic multipliers. Every five dollars of money spent by the government on food stamps creates up to nine dollars in economic activity. It pulls up to 4 million people out of poverty per year. Food stamp programs have demonstrably reduced the risk of low income children getting hypertension, obesity, and diabetes by as much as 68%. Far from being the seeds of dependency, the program reduces food insecurity and allows beneficiaries to focus on getting a job instead of where they’ll get their next meal. The result is that well over half of families are working within a month of receiving food stamps and over 80% are employed in the year following receiving food stamps. What’s more, many families who receive food stamps already have a job, but are kept in need of food assistance by a too-low minimum wage, a byproduct of our corporate welfare apparatus that Rand Paul opposes raising. Rand believes that minimum wage jobs are for children, and doesn’t seem to have a clear path forward for these families who depend on it once he cuts their ability to get food and reduces their pay.

What’s more, that 14.5% flat tax would actually amount to a tax increase on these, the poorest of working families, who currently don’t earn enough in wages to qualify for the federal income tax at all. They’d love to earn enough to pay income taxes, but that requires a livable, taxable wage.

Ignoring and at times flatly denying these facts, Senator Paul claims that his tax cuts for businesses and the wealthy will trickle down. He also says that “the left will argue that the plan is a tax cut for the wealthy. But most of the loopholes in the tax code were designed by the rich and politically connected.” That’s a good line, but it doesn’t say anything about whether his plan will have net positive or negative effects on the wealthy’s tax rates. And the data don’t back him up: While it’s true that loopholes are written for and exploited by wealthier interests, it’s also true that Paul’s plan would feature businesses paying an average of 5 percent less than businesses are paying under the current system, even once every tax loophole is closed.

Senator Paul will argue on the trail that these tax cuts will help businesses hire more workers. This assumes that businesses hire based on something other than need. The motivation of a business is to maximize profit; taxes affect how much profit businesses get to distribute amongst their shareholders keep, but not how much is generated, which is why there is no correlation between tax cuts and job creation.

What stimulates job creation is increasing demand. More demand creates a greater need for more goods, which creates a need for more jobs in order to raise a corporate profit margin. The only way to raise demand is to raise the buying power of the people. Money in the pockets of the people, not corporations, drives economic growth.

A flat tax is intrinsically regressive. The more you have, the less likely a flat tax is to bite into the money you need for your necessities. Rand’s plan would decrease revenue just for the sake of being able to cut taxes for the wealthy and for corporations, and he intends to make up for it with bad economics, bad math and a spending policy that would devastate some of our most important economic stimuli. It would leave millions of people in poverty and millions of children in greater need of health programs.

Which, of course, he would repeal.
 

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Yeah, see thats what I thought.
That means Herman Cain's 9/9/9 plan that ppl were shytting on a few years back was considerably lower. Cause this would be like 14/8/? or something.

You're merging federal and local taxes again. Both Paul's and Cain's plans were for FEDERAL taxes only. State taxes wouldn't be effected.

So Cain's plan would add a 9% federal sales tax on top of the 8% local sales tax you already pay. Total of 17%.

Paul's plan would have no sales tax on top of the 8% local sales tax you already pay but a higher income tax then Cain's.
 

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Who can argue against this?

Well Im sure Mr Paul will find a way to increase the defense budget. Im gonna assume he wants to drastically cut Medicare, social security, and many other benefits people depend on. Are some of u on crack? :what:
 

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You're merging federal and local taxes again. Both Paul's and Cain's plans were for FEDERAL taxes only. State taxes wouldn't be effected.

So Cain's plan would add a 9% federal sales tax on top of the 8% local sales tax you already pay. Total of 17%.

Paul's plan would have no sales tax on top of the 8% local sales tax you already pay but a higher income tax then Cain's.

I thought Hermain Cain wanted to standize the sales tax at 9% accross the board, not add 9% to it. :patrice:Its been awhile so I don't really remember it vividly.

What they really should do is set the luxury tax to be based on mark up instead of price. So any item that costs 10x what the price is to make it gets hit with the luxury tax. Jordans, Disneyland Churros, etc.

This would bring down the price of the lower end luxury items to comply with the price being 9x marked up (or less) so as not to price poor people out of range by including the luxury tax, greatly increasing access to the lower priced luxury items that poor and middle class use to make their days happier.
 

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Well Im sure Mr Paul will find a way to increase the defense budget. Im gonna assume he wants to drastically cut Medicare, social security, and many other benefits people depend on. Are some of u on crack? :what:

I don't think you know Rand Paul's viewpoints.
 

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I thought Hermain Cain wanted to standize the sales tax at 9% accross the board, not add 9% to it. :patrice:Its been awhile so I don't really remember it vividly.

Basically a 9% federal sales tax would would make up for the sharp drop in income taxes. Most people pay between 15-30% of their income to taxes so dropping it to 9% is a big deal. The sales tax would make up for it.
 
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