Gravediggaz - Dangerous Mindz appreciation

[Bugzbunny129]

and originally this Lp was meant to have less wu elements apart from the production team.

Not from what Prince Paul said, at the time he said he wasn't really interested in doing a second Gravediggaz album but did a little on there for poetic and frukwan because they weren't doing anything else.

I know this is old but i just wanna clarify

The OG second gravediggaz album was always planned to be a wu element album after paul said to give it to rzas lesser guys.

Rza used it as a way to put on his producers and rappers. But the original version of it was actually mostly produced by Y-kim the illfigure.

As you notice ykim is on the 98 kp release only, his beef with wu was in 96 over the from then til now beat. Ghost wanted it. It caused a riff between wu and 5% cause ykim was a high member and went to them for help. Im sure you know this already tua

But ykim said he har already produced half the diggaz album by that time. So considering it came out 97, id say that makes sense. I think rza would end up finding guys like goldfingaz and darkim be allah AFTER ykim was cut from the team as he was gonna be like their main. C producer (a rza b true n 4th c math/ykim d arabian knight/darkim/john the baptist etc etc) meant to take care of the bees while 4th and true held up wu while rza could focus one thing at a time.

Prince paul was never involved. It was always a heavy wu affair. Idk what paul was involved with at the time. Prolly the concept album?

 

[BuddahMAC]

But the original version of it was actually mostly produced by Y-kim the illfigure.

Not true.

 

[Sean7]

I liked the 2nd album a lot, very different from the first but I liked the change in direction on that one and they were more Wu elements as said instead of horrorcore and came back speaking knowledge to change the direction. Very different but I liked it.

 

[Bugzbunny129]

Not true.

Then clarify

From what i remember Ykim said he produced a bunch of tracks that were all cut from it. Are you saying hes lying? Considering true and 4th had a couple a piece and he said he did many, thats what it seems like to me. Im not saying it was to spotlight him, but he was pegged to produce it like all the others. His sound was perfect for that.

In any case it was a pure wu element affair

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28 min. He says he had about 9tracks on gravediggaz 2 cut from it. Specifically says 9. Ykim exaggerates his side on beefs but he def on the money with history.

he said the swarm was originally called the hidden chamber and he was all over it. He said he did the entire original version of the album.

Then the beef happened

 

[BuddahMAC]

Then clarify

Ykim said he produced a bunch of tracks that were all cut from it. Are you saying hes lying? Considering true and 4th had a couple a piece and he said he did many, thats what it seems like to me.

In any case it was a pure wu element affair

The Gravediggaz 2nd album was mostly made simultaneously w/ the Forever sessions in the same studios. As referenced from the Prince Paul interviews cited in this thread, it was designed to help out Poetic & Frukwan so they could eat & tour off it while RZA & Paul both had their own projects overshadow Gravediggaz. Besides the Wu producers, Poetic & Frukwan produced a 3rd of the album themselves & RZA's only on 5 songs- It's really their project.

Y Kim had his falling out w/ Wu before they really started recording this album and there was never 'a version that was mostly produced by Y Kim'.

Now, if you're talking about in the 2000s when Y-Kim started talking shyt in interviews and one of his things was saying he was going to be the main producer behind a reformed Gravediggaz w/ Frukwan/KP/Shabazz/etc..., then that's true in as much that he said it, but nothing came of that.

 

[Bugzbunny129]

The Gravediggaz 2nd album was mostly made simultaneously w/ the Forever sessions in the same studios. As referenced from the Prince Paul interviews cited in this thread, it was designed to help out Poetic & Frukwan so they could eat & tour off it while RZA & Paul both had their own projects overshadow Gravediggaz. Besides the Wu producers, Poetic & Frukwan produced a 3rd of the album themselves & RZA's only on 5 songs- It's really their project.

Y Kim had his falling out w/ Wu before they really started recording this album and there was never 'a version that was mostly produced by Y Kim'.

Now, if you're talking about in the 2000s when Y-Kim started talking shyt in interviews and one of his things was saying he was going to be the main producer behind a reformed Gravediggaz w/ Frukwan/KP/Shabazz/etc..., then that's true in as much that he said it, but nothing came of that.

Im talking about the original second gravediggaz album and og swarm. Im not talking about the 3rd album pre demo work. Im talking about that version of the second album. What those og diggaz tracks are to the third album, ykims were to the second.

Listen to the doggie diamonds intwrview i linked. 28-29 min

Im sure they were demos at the time and yea he got kicked out befor wit was recorded but he gives a lot of pre forever history on the andbis pretty exact.

Talks how he was signed to wu productions and he started making beats for the albums but then the beef happened. Sounds like demo sessions but he was still originally slated.

I mean he said he did an albums worth of tracks for the swarm. 9 for diggaz. Spexifically. He wasnr doing it for fun he was signed to rza. Whether they would have all made it is a different story bu hard to fathom considering wus histpry of demos. 9 would be double the amount of the highest next producer on the album.

Both those albums came out in 97 but they were started in 96-97 like caps. Im sure they demod new songs out before taking it to the studio with 5 producers in staff and dozens of rappers. Even all the og wu songs were demos. Not hard to think this would happen.

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[Whips-n-Chains]

I like the sophomore Gravediggaz album more. Dangerous Mindz was the best song on the album

 

[BuddahMAC]

Im talking about the original second gravediggaz album and og swarm. Im not talking about the 3rd album pre demo work. Im talking about that version of the second album. What those og diggaz tracks are to the third album, ykims were to the second.

Listen to the doggie diamonds intwrview i linked. 28-29 min

Im sure they were demos at the time and yea he got kicked out befor wit was recorded but he gives a lot of pre forever history on the andbis pretty exact.

Talks how he was signed to wu productions and he started making beats for the albums but then the beef happened. Sounds like demo sessions but he was still originally slated.

I mean he said he did an albums worth of tracks for the swarm. 9 for diggaz. Spexifically. He wasnr doing it for fun he was signed to rza. Whether they would have all made it is a different story bu hard to fathom considering wus histpry of demos. 9 would be double the amount of the highest next producer on the album.

Both those albums came out in 97 but they were started in 96-97 like caps. Im sure they demod new songs out before taking it to the studio with 5 producers in staff and dozens of rappers. Even all the og wu songs were demos. Not hard to think this would happen.

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No, Y Kim wasn't involved w/ the Diggaz 3rd album either. He was talking that mess far after Poetic's passing.

A good indicator that he's speaking untruths is saying he produced an 'an album's worth of tracks for the Swarm' when the Swarm wasn't formatted as an album but a compilation of mostly already produced songs from around that time to showcase; the majority of them on upcoming releases or from other project sessions. They didn't solicit producers for that compilation; people mostly came in with full songs. Nearly all of his beats are with Timbo/Royal Fam and both Timbo appearances on the album are RZA produced.

He definitely had some beats around the time he got jumped out but that's not anything like what you said which was:

But the original version of it was actually mostly produced by Y-kim the illfigure.

There's no OG version of the album w/ Poetic & Frukwan over like 10 Y Kim beats. That's blatantly false. And, even if he had submitted beats for the project, I doubt that by the time they would have selected beats and spit over them they'd still even consider anything he had submitted.

And then there's the fact that you're taking Y Kim at face value who's known to bullshyt and had Meth threaten to beat his ass again.

 

[Bugzbunny129]

No, Y Kim wasn't involved w/ the Diggaz 3rd album either. He was talking that mess far after Poetic's passing.

A good indicator that he's speaking untruths is saying he produced an 'an album's worth of tracks for the Swarm' when the Swarm wasn't formatted as an album but a compilation of mostly already produced songs from around that time to showcase; the majority of them on upcoming releases or from other project sessions. They didn't solicit producers for that compilation; people mostly came in with full songs. Nearly all of his beats are with Timbo/Royal Fam and both Timbo appearances on the album are RZA produced.

He definitely had some beats around the time he got jumped out but that's not anything like what you said which was:


There's no OG version of the album w/ Poetic & Frukwan over like 10 Y Kim beats. That's blatantly false. And, even if he had submitted beats for the project, I doubt that by the time they would have selected beats and spit over them they'd still even consider anything he had submitted.

And then there's the fact that you're taking Y Kim at face value who's known to bullshyt and had Meth threaten to beat his ass again.

I know he wasnt. You brought up the album i was rxplaining how those demos became that album, its not beyond comprehension to believe other demos were also created in 1996 the same way for an album slated for 97. I didnt even know that version of the third album existed at all until it leaked not even 10 years ago.

I mean like i said i know the album never came out that way and wasnt even close to finalized. But i do think he was gon a be on it because he was signed to wu productions.

Meth threatening him aside, besides his extreme hate for 8 diagrams, i dont see hiw he really lied about anything even before this in that other interview. He said guys took lines. They take each others lines.

Obviously hes saltybut i have no reason NOt to believe he worked on the initial beginning of the project. He was literally counting tracks in his head live unless he lives in a fantasy world (hey… never know lol). He obviously did something for it. Hes working with priest and sunz during same time.

My initial point was not to highlight its a ykim album, but that paul was NEVER gonna produce it and the elements always had the job. I never heard much on this album but it tracks from what i know of it.

 

[BuddahMAC]

My initial point was not to highlight its a ykim album, but that paul was NEVER gonna produce it and the elements always had the job. I never heard much on this album but it tracks from what i know of it.

You said:

But the original version of it was actually mostly produced by Y-kim the illfigure.

All I said is that was not true. That there is no 'original version' of Pick, Sickle & Shovel mostly produced by Y Kim.

You asked to clarify, so I did.

The only person saying it is Y Kim who has been a proven unreliable source in the past.

Do with it as you will.