Greatest NBA Teams ever measured by peak value

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Thanks for posting this skoob, thought it would be an interesting thread

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Greatest teams by peak value

It's a compelling, fun hypothetical: If every NBA team had its players in the prime of their careers, which would be the best?
For instance, what if the Brooklyn Nets had Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Deron Williams, Joe Johnson et al. during their absolute peaks? Where would that team rank among all such teams?
Readers enjoyed Friday's column attempting to answer this question by ranking this season's teams, and many of them raised the same follow-up question: What about the all-time best teams? In truth, we can't rank the best "peak value" teams ever because my wins above replacement player (WARP) metric dates back only to 1977-78, when the league first tracked player turnovers. But here are the star-studded leaders since then, including a No. 1 that might surprise you.
The method remains the same as Friday's column. For each player, I've taken their best season in terms of WARP as their "prime" value, and the team's rating is made up of the 12 best players by this measure.
Honorable mentions

• 1983-84 Los Angeles Lakers (123.0 WARP): The best of the Magic-Kareem-Worthy Lakers teams thanks to the presence of Bob McAdoo and Swen Nater.
• 2004-05 Dallas Mavericks (126.4 WARP): Just one player with an All-NBA nod (Dirk Nowitzki), but a host of quality veterans that went 10 deep in peak value.
• 2012-13 Los Angeles Clippers (127.5 WARP): A star-studded wing rotation of Chauncey Billups, Caron Butler and Grant Hill.
• 1985-86 Philadelphia 76ers (128.0 WARP): The best-rated entrant from the '80s combined a young Charles Barkley and an old McAdoo with the Dr. J/Moses Malone core as the only team in NBA history with four MVPs.
• 2001-02 Orlando Magic (128.4 WARP): Tracy McGrady and Grant Hill plus a frontcourt rotation of Patrick Ewing and Horace Grant.
10. 1999-2000 Phoenix Suns (129.5, 5 All-Stars, 3 All-NBA)
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The Suns sneak onto the list via something of a technicality. In March, they brought future Sacramento mayor Kevin Johnson (16.2 WARP at peak) out of retirement when Jason Kidd (21.2) was sidelined. Add in a young Penny Hardaway (19.3) and Phoenix would certainly not lack for ballhandling.
9. 2011-12 Dallas Mavericks (129.8, 4 All-Stars, 4 All-NBA)
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The NBA's best team circa 2002, these Mavericks combined four All-Stars (Kidd; Vince Carter, 16.5; Shawn Marion, 19.2; and Dirk Nowitzki, 19.7) with two of the best players never to make the All-Star Game (Jason Terry, 12.7; Lamar Odom, 11.9). They surpassed the 2011 championship team on this list by adding Carter and Odom, but were too far past their prime to avoid a first-round sweep at the hands of the Oklahoma City Thunder.
8. 2003-04 Los Angeles Lakers (130.7, 5 All-Stars, 4 All-NBA)
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These Lakers are typically the first team that comes to mind when considering groups that would have been amazing together in their prime. With Karl Malone (20.5) and Gary Payton (20.0) joining Kobe Bryant (20.4) and Shaquille O'Neal (25.7) in pursuit of a missing championship ring, this is the sole team on the list with four players who posted 20-WARP seasons. In five-on-five, they'd be tough to beat. So why aren't the Lakers higher? After Horace Grant, the fifth All-Star on the roster, the star talent drops off as the rest of the rotation was made up of role players like Rick Fox (7.5) and Derek Fisher (5.5).
7. 2008-09 Phoenix Suns (132.1, 4 All-Stars, 4 All-NBA)
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By far the most accomplished team ever to miss the playoffs (the 1992-93 Detroit Pistons rank second among that group), these Suns featured two MVPs in O'Neal and Steve Nash (17.8) plus two more All-NBA First Team picks in Hill (21.1) and Amar'e Stoudemire (16.0). Yet despite solid role players like Jason Richardson (10.6) and Leandro Barbosa (9.0), Phoenix rated 26th in defensive rating and finished ninth in the West with a 46-36 record.
6. 1994-95 San Antonio Spurs (132.4 WARP, 6 All-Stars, 3 All-NBA)
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Good luck matching up with this frontcourt. The Spurs had Moses Malone (21.9) backing up fellow MVP David Robinson (27.3) next to Dennis Rodman (16.5). And San Antonio also had accomplished veterans like Doc Rivers (13.5) and Terry Cummings (13.0) coming off the bench.
5. 2004-05 Houston Rockets (132.7 WARP, 5 All-Stars, 6 All-NBA)
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To paraphrase Stefon, this team had everything: The tallest All-Star (Yao Ming), a two-time scoring champ (Tracy McGrady), a four-time Defensive Player of the Year (Dikembe Mutombo), the best player never to make an All-Star team (Rod Strickland), one of Dennis Rodman's North Korean teammates (Vin Baker), "Baby Barkley" (Clarence Weatherspoon), an ESPN broadcaster (Jon Barry), a member of the Fab Five (Juwan Howard), an insomniac (Moochie Norris) and a Heisman trophy winner (Charlie Ward). The bouncer is Jeff Van Gundy's pitbull and the password is "13 points in 35 seconds."
 

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4. 2000-01 Portland Trail Blazers (134.8 WARP, 6 All-Stars, 4 All-NBA)
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After the 2003-04 Lakers, the so-called "Jail Blazers" might have been the most popular guess by readers. In terms of sheer depth, they're hard to beat. They featured nine players worth at least 9 WARP in their prime (Greg Anthony, Shawn Kemp, Scottie Pippen, Arvydas Sabonis, Detlef Schrempf, Steve Smith, Damon Stoudamire, Rod Strickland and Rasheed Wallace), a group that somehow doesn't include All-Star Dale Davis (6.9). However, Portland comes up short due to the same lack of elite talent that was an issue in real games. Kemp (16.8) and Pippen (19.5) were the two players who peaked greater than 13 WARP.
3. 2010-11 Miami Heat (135.9 WARP, 7 All-Stars, 4 All-NBA -- also 2012-13, 130.6)
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The best Big Three Miami team in terms of prime value was the first incarnation, which lost to Dallas in the NBA Finals. While that Heat squad didn't have a third star like Ray Allen, it featured seven All-Stars, with players like Jerry Stackhouse (13.4), Zydrunas Ilgauskas (9.6), Jamaal Magloire (4.9) and Howard coming off the bench. And that's not mentioning players like Mike Bibby (11.7) and Erick Dampier (10.2) who had impressive primes. The 2012-13 team also ranked 10th, edging out this season's version thanks to Mike Miller (8.2) and Howard. Although there's still time for Miami to bring Howard back ...
2. 2010-11 Boston Celtics (143.2 WARP, 6 All-Stars, 6 All-NBA)
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When these Celtics lost to the Heat in a five-game conference semifinals, it was the most accomplished matchup the modern NBA has ever seen. Had it been played with everyone in their prime, the series might have gone differently for Boston, which would have gotten a pair of MVPs in Shaquille O'Neal and Kevin Garnett (26.3) among six players that made All-NBA teams (also Paul Pierce, 18.4; Allen, 17.8; Rajon Rondo, 13.6; and Jermaine O'Neal, 11.4).
1. 2006-07 Miami Heat (152.4 WARP, 6 All-Stars, 5 All-NBA -- also 2005-06, 147.2; and 2004-05, 129.6)
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Your surprise winner is a Miami team that went 44-38 and got bounced from the playoffs in the first round. Of course, the Heat did win the championship the year before and came within a win of the Finals in 2004-05 among the three full seasons Shaquille O'Neal played with Wade (23.8). The 2005-06 and 2006-07 teams both also featured Payton and Alonzo Mourning (19.1), and Mourning could eventually join Payton (who's already been voted in) and O'Neal and Wade (locks) in the Hall of Fame. As compared to the 2003-04 Lakers, these Miami teams went much deeper with the likes of Antoine Walker (14.9), Jason Williams (10.2) and James Posey (9.6) as role players. And the 2006-07 Heat edged out their 2005-06 counterparts for the top spot thanks to the addition of All-Star Eddie Jones (14.5) to the roster.
Who's missing?
The 1980s Celtics
Not only did none of Boston's title teams make the list, they didn't come particularly close. The best of them, the 1987-88 team with eight All-Stars, finished 45th. In part, '80s teams suffer because some of their players' peak seasons aren't covered by WARP. For example, Bill Walton's last full season in Portland, 1976-77, came the last year before individual turnovers were tracked. Beyond that, several Celtics -- notably Hall of Famer Dennis Johnson (8.0) and All-Star Reggie Lewis (5.6) don't fare as well by WARP as reputation.
The Jordan Bulls
Despite the advantage of the single-best player by peak WARP (Michael Jordan, 27.6), none of the Bulls' teams in the 1990s were particularly stocked with prime talent. The 1996-97 Bulls, ranked 26th, come closest thanks to Robert Parish (16.0) at the end of the bench. Parish aside, Chicago rarely filled out its bench with big-name veterans. If only the Bulls had known it would cost them in this ranking.
This season's teams
The leaders among 2013-14 teams, the Nets and Heat, finish 20th and 21st by this measure.
 
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