GS and the referee bias cannot be ignored anymore

[Ronnie Lott]

Jeezus Christ yall Cav/lebron stans have reached nuclear levels of bytching and complaining.

 

[L. Deezy]

Stop whining yall.. I actually like the fact they letting them play.. only one non hack call stood out and the ref let it go instead of calling travel on Bron


What would yall do if yall actually watched bball during the hand checking days? Bron won.. Im good with that

 

[Atlrocafella]

First off, fukk bron and the cavs. I want GS to make that nicca cry, but even I had to at the refs. They were literally ignoring blatant fouls on bron.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I don't think the refs are cheating for GS. In my life, I've only seen one game where it looked like the refs were blatantly cheating for a team, and that was Lakers-Kings 2002 Game 6, of course.

I do think that Golden State was getting more calls in their favor, but it was for the following three reasons:

1) Draymond Green has a reputation as a "guy who is great at using his hands", so the refs let him get away with whatever. It's the same as when Hibbert suddenly started getting away with "verticality" all the time, or Bruce Bowen got to grab on whoever he was defending. When a player gets a "defensive reputation", the refs let them get away with more than other players get away with.

2) Lebron has the Shaq-treatment going on - he's so big that refs just let him get hit like crazy, assuming it shouldn't affect him even though the exact same hits on a skinnier or smaller guy (like Durant or Harden) would result in the offensive player flailing around and an automatic foul call.

3) The Brad Stevens "they can't call every foul" strategy. When he was at Butler, Stevens would instruct his players to get physical on every single play. The rationale was that the refs didn't want to stop the game by calling fouls every single time down the court...so they'd have to just let stuff go to keep the game from slowing down, and over time the players would get away with more and more. Bogut/Green/Igoudala could be called for grabbing someone or running into on offensive player on every single play...but the refs don't want the game to stop completely, so they swallow their whistles.

We gonna ignore the fact that the Warriors had home court advantage, were called for more personals or that LBJ got to the line eighteen times & the Cavs were at the line much more tonight

Cavs 40 free throws

Warriors 25

Ya'all serious? We're going to ignore that hack-a-Tristan was part of those numbers, that the Warriors were shooting long jumpers all game, and that Lebron/Mosgov were beasting inside? Exactly who on Golden State was making the plays that should lead to foul calls?

I mean, do ya'all not see the huge number of even Lebron haters who don't want him to win, but think he got screwed?

bron was literally walking at half court without dribbling the ball and travelling multiple times through out the night.. none of those are called and those could be big turn overs... he gets away with travelling more than warriors get away with those screens yall complain about.

Care to speak on how Lebron is allowed to travel about 10-12+ times per game?

You just going to ignore my whole post? If Cleveland lost a possession every time LB walks or traveled blatantly (everyone walks/travels but he takes it 2 steps further) they would have lost by 30.

I can't believe that ya'll so desperate for your own calls to complain about that you bring up "walking the ball up the court" 10 times in one thread.

You know why that doesn't get called? Because no one on the court gives a shyt. It doesn't give anyone an advantage, it doesn't affect the game in any way...It's a meaningless fukking play. Lebron will never score off of "taking an extra step on an undefended inbounds play". It is the most meaningless play you could possibly complain about.

And no, it would never, ever get called 5-6 times in one game...because the very first time it got called, Lebron would stop doing it, because it's meaningless and doesn't give him any advantage. You only reason he does it is because he knows neither the refs nor anyone else gives a shyt, except a few butthurt GS fans/Lebron haters on this thread who are desperate as hell for something to bytch about.

Breh you really want them to call that foul at end of regulation? Refs don't call fouls like that to end a game unless you get tackled They never do.

BS. Just google "game-winning free throws" or "game-tying free throws". Guys get foul calls on touch fouls at the end of games all the time. I remember one Portland game where Yao got a foul call on a freaking fadeway at the buzzer:



Here's Igoudala getting a at the end of the game to win the entire freaking series, with far less contact than he hit Lebron with:




It's true that refs swallow their whistles more at the end of games than they usually do, but with Lebron it's just a little too much.

shout out to the NBA refs

bad reffing hasn't decided ONE SINGLE GMAE in the playoffs thus far

most consistent officials in major sports

Isn't it generally considered the opposite?

Football has the best refs, and baseball is second. Basketball is by far the most random and worst of the three.

Nothing's as bad as World Cup soccer though.

Lol y'all have to be shyttin me with "Lebron gets no calls" talk. You really want refs to call a handcheck on Iggy at the end or Draymonds pull down. GTFOH. Only really bad one was Iggy's hack, in which Lebron travel beforehand.

Iggy''s handcheck was a blatant foul, but at least you can try the "let them play it out at the end" crap. With Draymond's pull-down they HAVE to call that crap, or let Cleveland keep the ball. The fact that they called Lebron for grabbing the ball, when he had no other choice because Draymond pulled him down while he was trying to reach it, was some pure BS.

When he fouled LBJ with seven minutes left in the 4th. LeBron drove to the rim, Green went to contest but LBJ contorted his shot so the ball avoided Green's arm which then hit him across the nose. He was in clear pain and had to collect himself on the bench for a while.

So the play looked so much like a flagrant foul that you assumed they called a flagrant foul on it and bring it up as evidence of ref bias, but when you realize that they just called a regular foul, you don't realized that Draymond gets away with all sorts of shyt?

What does that say when Skip Bayless said that GS got bailed out when LeBron didn't get calls down the stretch?

Yeah, that Skip tweet blew my mind. When someone who hates Lebron as hard as he does can see it...

What would yall do if yall actually watched bball during the hand checking days?

That's the whole point - it's not the hand-checking days. If it were the hand-checking days, they wouldn't be fouls. (Though Jordan still got a lot of calls like that even back in those days.)

 

[meth68]

I can't believe that ya'll so desperate for your own calls to complain about that you bring up "walking the ball up the court" 10 times in one thread.

You know why that doesn't get called? Because no one on the court gives a shyt. It doesn't give anyone an advantage, it doesn't affect the game in any way...It's a meaningless fukking play. Lebron will never score off of "taking an extra step on an undefended inbounds play". It is the most meaningless play you could possibly complain about.

And no, it would never, ever get called 5-6 times in one game...because the very first time it got called, Lebron would stop doing it, because it's meaningless and doesn't give him any advantage. You only reason he does it is because he knows neither the refs nor anyone else gives a shyt, except a few butthurt GS fans/Lebron haters on this thread who are desperate as hell for something to bytch about.

It's a rule, some people do give a shyt. So why call any travels? Why call any walks? Why call Any rules then that shape the game?

They watch that 10 sec to bring up the ball to half court like a hawk blowing whistles at 9.9sec... why the fukk they call that EVERY time?

I am not a lebron hater by any means, so dont try to make it seem like I am nit picking, All I am saying if you want him to get all his calls, he should be called as well. He is guilty with a TON of regular violations.

 

[mbewane]

Refs getting back at Bron for all those bs flops in Miami

 

[MrWestGrand]

nikkas really want refs to make every single foul call, so games can last 4-5 hours..

 

[Consumed]

Ya'all serious? We're going to ignore that hack-a-Tristan was part of those numbers, that the Warriors were shooting long jumpers all game, and that Lebron/Mosgov were beasting inside? Exactly who on Golden State was making the plays that should lead to foul calls?

I mean, do ya'all not see the huge number of even Lebron haters who don't want him to win, but think he got screwed?

I've already acknowledged that Cleveland's inside play was the key reason they were awarded more free throws. Didn't say they were given an advantage but that people shouldn't scream rigged because of last night which so many are doing rather than focusing on the strategy of last nights game that led to the outcome

I generally don't care about LeBron haters to me it's retarded to spend your time hating a player you don't even know, but Skip Bayless wasn't against LeBron winning last night. He picked them to win and the Cavs to push the series to seven. He respects LeBron immensely, just doesn't care for the MJ comparisons who he stans like mad. He also never said the game was rigged or that the refs wanted the Warriors to win which is my biggest issue right now. Were there calls the Cavs should have got in the final frames? Sure, But why do we need to sit here and bytch about it when they won the game? And they were able to take the lead at the stripe. Its also been a "problem" for LBJ for some time to not get every call on his drives because of how physical he is and the fact that there's contact on damn near all of his takes. So I don't see this as a Warriors issue. He won't get every call going to his side but he will get most, and thats enough for me.

 

[Cynical Thoughts]

The free throw numbers are smoke and mirrors and yall falling for it.

If you know its make up calls and superstar calls and rookie calls why yall acting like the refs dont have an agenda?

It's entertainment to me.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It's a rule, some people do give a shyt. So why call any travels? Why call any walks? Why call Any rules then that shape the game?

Seriously man, a travel on a random, unguarded inbounds that has NO influence on the game and a travel in the half-court when you're trying to score are two different things.

If you can't tell the difference between a no-call that shapes the game and a no-call that has no effect on the game whatsoever, I don't know what to tell you. This is a very lonely battle for you - no one in the NBA actually gives a shyt.

Are you also going to say that every single lane violation should be called on free throws? That could be called almost every single time.

but Skip Bayless wasn't against LeBron winning last night. He picked them to win and the Cavs to push the series to seven. He respects LeBron immensely, just doesn't care for the MJ comparisons who he stans like mad..

Skip only picked the Cavs to win so he can hate on them for "Lebron not living up to expectations" if they don't.

Seriously Skip is always on some all-time stupid shyt when it comes to Lebron. The first thing he tweeted after the win last night was "Now he had to have Delly save him." The first thing he tweeted after his game-winner against Chicago was "That almost makes up for all the ones he missed." He never misses an opportunity to shyt on him.

 

[Gravity]

LeBron is the only superstar I've ever seen not get calls. Gotdam. I ain't a big Bron fan but this shyt is ridiculous.

Dwayne Wade gets foul calls when dudes are a foot away from him SMH.

It was hack a Lebron late in the game and the refs just acted like WWE refs when bad guys cheat.

The shyt was unreal. How that ref isn't being talked about and investigated is beyond me. Dude was literally standing right there watching Igoudala hack Lebron in a crucial moment in the game and ignored it.

Lebron gets the Shaq treatment because he's so big and strong. I do think that he cries waaaay too much tho.

 

[TheyCallMeAzul]

Y'all made this thread on a night Mozgov shot 12 FTs in 29 mins?

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

No need to argue. Cavs losing 3 straight like last year's Miami Heat

 

[Professor Emeritus]

A few days ago people were accusing Zach Lowe of stanning too hard for the Warriors. Look at what he said today:

LeBron missed every shot he took after drilling what appeared to be the dagger that put Cleveland up 11. The misses included a tricky left-handed layup at the end of regulation, two Draymond Green blocks, and a half-dozen maulings at the hands of Andre Iguodala. LeBron traveled before one such mauling, an especially blatant karate chop, but Iguodala committed uncalled reach-in fouls on almost every LeBron drive in crunch time. (That’s not a shot at Iguodala. It’s just a fact. LeBron would make his move left, and Iguodala would stick his forearm into LeBron’s chest, slow LeBron’s momentum, yank his forearm away, and slide backward stride-for-stride with LeBron. Iguodala discovered that the officials weren’t going to call those old-school forearm-checks, and he responded with the optimal tactics.)

Last night we saw what would happen if players were ever allowed to do hand-checking AND zone defenses against a tired star at the same time.


also:

Green held LeBron down on a jump ball with 45 seconds left in overtime and somehow got away with it. The referee threw the ball up, no one touched it, and it fell harmlessly into LeBron’s hands — a violation. I cornered Green in the locker room after the game to see if he might cop to the crime, but he pleaded ignorance.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I don't think the refs are cheating for GS. In my life, I've only seen one game where it looked like the refs were blatantly cheating for a team, and that was Lakers-Kings 2002 Game 6, of course.

I do think that Golden State was getting more calls in their favor, but it was for the following three reasons:

I would say this was only applicable to the 4th quarter. After two viewings, the inconsistency of calls for both sides overlapped and in turn blurred any period that was long enough to have a cumulative effect that put either team at a disadvantage. I mentioned earlier -

"Take this for example - http://on.nba.com/1G6df72

Klay's called for his second foul in the 1st quarter [he exits the game], when he made NO contact with Shumpert's hand/arm when contesting the layup. At this point, he had nine of the Warriors' 11 points within the first five minutes of the game; the Warriors are leading and on the front foot. This mistake from the officials changed the flow of the game, which allowed the Cavs to stabilize the momentum - taking away any advantage Klay and the Warriors potentially would have had in quest of extending their lead in the first quarter.

That blunder from the officials meant the Warriors went 12-13 possessions without a player that scored 81% of their points up until the point he left the game. Yet the majority doesn't wanna acknowledge the damming effect it had on the Warriors, because i) it happened in the 1st quarter ii) they're too caught up in this agenda of pushing the contrary."

1) Draymond Green has a reputation as a "guy who is great at using his hands", so the refs let him get away with whatever. It's the same as when Hibbert suddenly started getting away with "verticality" all the time, or Bruce Bowen got to grab on whoever he was defending. When a player gets a "defensive reputation", the refs let them get away with more than other players get away with.

Which is why it isn't as straight forward as most make it seem [Green getting away with blue murder]. It's easy to apply this one-size-fits-all device in every game without looking any deeper - especially if you see ONE example and mentally fast-forward the rest of the game - disregarding what actually happens. Not to mention that it's a double-edged sword when refs allow more contact, that it can give an advantage to the offensive player (# of possessions where Mozgov got away with traveling and Bron with clearing out on drives and on post-ups when matched-up with Draymond).

The shyt he got away with in Game 2, was largely off-set by contact initiated by Cavs players or where Cavs players got away with arguable offensive fouls/turnovers.

2) Lebron has the Shaq-treatment going on - he's so big that refs just let him get hit like crazy, assuming it shouldn't affect him even though the exact same hits on a skinnier or smaller guy (like Durant or Harden) would result in the offensive player flailing around and an automatic foul call.

This was definitely the case in the 4th quarter, yet I counted four-five times where he was able to shift his defender with his offhand and use it to his advantage throughout the game (as well as getting away with moving his feet when picking up the ball near the low-block). Not to mention the contact he got away with on the defensive end (three fouls in 50 minutes), but that's neither here nor there given that the refs were never going to place him in foul trouble given his team's situation.

3) The Brad Stevens "they can't call every foul" strategy. When he was at Butler, Stevens would instruct his players to get physical on every single play. The rationale was that the refs didn't want to stop the game by calling fouls every single time down the court...so they'd have to just let stuff go to keep the game from slowing down, and over time the players would get away with more and more. Bogut/Green/Igoudala could be called for grabbing someone or running into on of

This strategy has been working for the Cavs for the entire postseason. Don't get it twisted, the Cavs were getting away with just as much contact (if not more, during the first three quarters). Especially Delly and Tristan.