Haiti & New Orleans: Is The Feeling Mutual? (a very long read)

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Meh... as a Haitian there is honestly nothing there. Besides the mutuality of having French cacs as our oppressors.

Creoles are a totally different peoples. There's no true "connection".
 
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Meh... as a Haitian there is honestly nothing there. Besides the mutuality of having French cacs be our oppressors.

Creoles are a totally different peoples. There's no true "connection".
there's a clear connection. People in that region aren't all that different from each other.
 

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https://cpa.ds.npr.org/wwno/audio/2017/10/TriPodHaitiSpecialPod.mp3

link to the podcast

just saw that audio link is in thread already


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Africans in the United States must remember that the slave ships brought no West Indians, no Caribbeans, no Jamaicans or Trinidadians or Barbadians to this hemisphere. The slave ships brought only African people and most of us took the semblance of nationality from the places where slave ships dropped us off.

-John Henrik Clarke

Not sure if I'm interpreting this correctly but it's a known fact that slaves were taken from Barbados and Bermuda to South Carolina.

truth be told, hatians have more in common with spanish speaking dominicans than they dowith LA Creoles who have more in common with anglo-aframs and cajuns.

Maybe this is something recent. Some of my paternal lines are creole from New Orleans and I remember hearing from older aunts and uncles that many of them didn't consider themselves aframs because the bit of black they had in them was not southern black stock but Haitian. In fact, some my family lines - Prudeaux/Domingue/Vitale/Verdereau/LeCesnes/Gumbel came from Saint Domingue in the 1700s with many other families. Maybe the cultural connections are not that strong anymore because they've been in Louisiana for so long that they've developed their own culture but it's still a bit distinct from the rest of southern black culture (I'm overgeneralising here because I've noticed regional differences between blacks from different southern states).
 

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Not sure if I'm interpreting this correctly but it's a known fact that slaves were taken from Barbados and Bermuda to South Carolina.
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I know about the triangular trade. I think you're misinterpreting Dr. Clark's quote.

that the slave ships brought no West Indians, no Caribbeans, no Jamaicans or Trinidadians or Barbadians to (the Western) hemisphere....The ships brought only African people and most of us took the semblance of nationality from the places where slave ships dropped us off.



He's saying that these regional and cultural differences between Africans in the diaspora are relatively minor .

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I know about the triangular trade. I think you're misinterpreting Dr. Clark's quote.

that the slave ships brought no West Indians, no Caribbeans, no Jamaicans or Trinidadians or Barbadians to (the Western) hemisphere....The ships brought only African people and most of us took the semblance of nationality from the places where slave ships dropped us off.



He's saying that these regional and cultural differences between Africans in the diaspora are relatively minor .

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ah.. yeah totally misinterpreted that.
 

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Not sure if I'm interpreting this correctly but it's a known fact that slaves were taken from Barbados and Bermuda to South Carolina.



Maybe this is something recent. Some of my paternal lines are creole from New Orleans and I remember hearing from older aunts and uncles that many of them didn't consider themselves aframs because the bit of black they had in them was not southern black stock but Haitian. In fact, some my family lines - Prudeaux/Domingue/Vitale/Verdereau/LeCesnes/Gumbel came from Saint Domingue in the 1700s with many other families. Maybe the cultural connections are not that strong anymore because they've been in Louisiana for so long that they've developed their own culture but it's still a bit distinct from the rest of southern black culture (I'm overgeneralising here because I've noticed regional differences between blacks from different southern states).


LA Creoles outside of linguistic roots have more in common with southern anglo-aframs than they do to Haitians for may reasons a few being they're more senegambian while haitians are more togo/beninese and secondly, they are more rooted to near by anglo-afram influences (blues, jazz, spirituals-church etc...)


Yes, we are Afr'Am. Like I said, there are overarching elements to our culture & heritage that pretty general among African-Americans such as the use of red-rice(Oryza glaberrima) in our meals, use of grounded peanuts(goobers) in meals, the combination of Native-American crops with West African cooking techniques to make AA staple dishes like grits and cornbread.

And on music there's the use of strummed folk instruments like Banjo with has documented and recorded being played by African-American in just about every part of the US and Elongated Minor Pentatonic scales with microtonal bent "blue notes" in our melodies ESPECIALLY with the trade marked raspy voices, as well as off-beat accentuation(nuts and bolts of the backbeat which is also unique to all forms of AA music and not found in other Afro-diasporan music types)


(You certainly wont find anything like that among Haitians or Martiniqueans)

^^^^Much of this has to with the common rice, cattle, cotton culture that the economic landscape of North America demanded on slave industry regardless of it was being administered by French, Spanish, or English unlike in the Caribbean and South America were Sugar & Mining where the bread and butter of the economy. Slavers in French Louisiana are noted in specifically trying to recreated the model of rice plantations of the English/British administered southern atlantic coast upon seeing their success so they could compete. So, as it was be a large number of Upper West Africans slave from the Sudan and Sahel regions were imported into the colonies and much of AA culture, if traced back, to pre-transatlantic era is rooted in the traditions of the Sudan and the Sahel. And if that wasn't enough there was the domestic slave trading once the US republic procured lands formerly under the thumb of European colonialism. The amount of people involved in this movement of slaves was even greater than that of the Transatlantic slave trade. So, no Texas nor Louisiana Africans/AA were ever in isolation from other African/AAs in other parts of the colonial or antebellum US.

And like @IllmaticDelta said there's also the common influence of the Church traditions as well.



"Free blacks", yes. Non-AA immigrants, No.


What is Black American Culture? (inspired by The Salon)

haitains






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la creoles








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A few more on the the rural Franco African and Anglo African Americans


LA creoles










anglo-aframs









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......even the black cowboy-rodeo subculture





 
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