Haiti Set to Revive National Army as UN Peacekeepers Prepare to Leave.

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GRESSIER, Haiti (AP) — Their heads held high and chests puffed out, a group of nearly 100 Haitian men in camouflage fatigues do jumping jacks or march around an abandoned U.N. compound on a recent morning. But after a few drills, they seek shelter from the blazing sun in the absence of anything else to do.

As UN military peacekeepers prepare for a full exit from this Caribbean nation, this small engineering corps is the first wave of Haiti’s efforts to try and revive a military force some 22 years after a national army was disbanded. While Haiti is a long way off from having a real military, these initial efforts to build up a defense force at whatever level excites some and unnerves others.

“We’re proud Haitians and we want to make the nation stronger,” said Lt. Ted Tesnor Wolsby, a base commander in the brigade that has received months of military training in Ecuador but has only intermittent duties fixing irrigation ditches or roads back in Haiti for salaries starting at $318 a month.
While it’s easy to find citizens who strongly support reconstituting a Haitian army, particularly jobless young people, the idea alarms those who vividly remember times darkened by military coups and oppression.

“It’s not a good idea, that’s for sure,” said Bobby Duval, a former soccer star who was arrested by the army in 1976 and starved and tortured while locked up for 17 months for speaking out against human rights abuses under Jean-Claude “Baby Doc” Duvalier’s government.

Haitian leaders insist that a functioning defense force is urgently needed following a phased drawdown of all the remaining 2,370 UN military peacekeepers. The UN Security Council last week authorized an Oct. 15 wrap-up of a 13-year stabilization mission here, leaving behind a smaller peacekeeping operation for an initial period of six months comprising 1,275 police who will continue training Haitian law enforcers.
“We want a new armed force, an armed force oriented toward development. This is what we need,” said Defense Minister Herve Denis, adding that the government is “very concerned” about a possible security vacuum after UN troops depart.
Attitudes about a possible military revival are as complicated as the history of Haiti, which only saw its first freely elected leader with Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 1990, and he was ousted by a military coup just eight months later.

For much of Haiti’s history, the army was used to crack down on political dissent for a parade of dictators or destabilize governments. When U.S. Marines occupied Haiti from 1915 to 1934, they abolished the existing military and created a national guard, which eventually became the budget-draining Forces Armees d’Haiti.

Attitudes about a possible military revival are as complicated as the history of Haiti, which only saw its first freely elected leader with Jean-Bertrand Aristide in 1990, and he was ousted by a military coup just eight months later.

For much of Haiti’s history, the army was used to crack down on political dissent for a parade of dictators or destabilize governments. When U.S. Marines occupied Haiti from 1915 to 1934, they abolished the existing military and created a national guard, which eventually became the budget-draining Forces Armees d’Haiti.
During the 29-year family dynasty founded by Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier, the army was largely shunted aside in favor of the Tonton Macoutes, the regime’s dreaded private militia. But when his son, Jean-Claude, was ousted and fled to France in 1986, a repressive army high command of Duvalier appointees remained largely intact. After Aristide was ousted in a 1991 military coup, soldiers and paramilitary forces killed some 4,000 people over the next three years.

Haiti’s current leaders are pitching new kinds of military duties: defending democracy, providing immediate assistance after natural disasters and fighting smuggling of drugs and other contraband.

Reviving a national army has been a goal of the Tet Kale party since it gained power in 2011. From his start as a candidate in 2010 elections, Michel Martelly pledged to restore the armed forces, pitching a force of 3,500 troops. Shortly before his term as Haiti’s president expired in February 2016, Martelly quietly issued a decree to reconstitute an army in the absence of a functioning Parliament.

Now, officials with President Jovenel Moise’s government are pushing to have 500 troops next year. But, they are providing only the broadest outlines of future plans to have armed troops monitoring coastlines and manning the border with the Dominican Republic.

Robert Fatton, a Haitian-born politics professor at the University of Virginia and the author of “The Roots of Haitian Despotism,” said it would be difficult to imagine a military force that wouldn’t quickly become politicized.

“There’s the possibility that it becomes a weapon in the hands of whoever is the president or the prime minister. And there’s a danger, obviously, that it might follow in the path of the previous military,” Fatton said.

While many Haitians support a military rebirth regardless of questions about how the country will pay for it, it’s hard to find any enthusiasm for the idea by international donors who have poured billions into bolstering the Haitian National Police, which has grown to over 14,000 trained members.

“Our efforts have focused on supporting a civilian police force that is focused on what Haiti needs, which is law enforcement,” said Kenneth Merten, the U.S. State Department’s special coordinator for Haiti, while emphasizing that the Caribbean country is a sovereign nation that can make its own decisions about what forces it wants in the territory.

The U.N. envoy for Haiti, Sandra Honore, told reporters Monday that the UN “is not in a position to support or to contribute to this plan of the government of Haiti.”

But, Senate President Youri Latortue, once an army lieutenant, says Haiti plans to engage in bilateral talks to try and convince troop-contributing countries to leave behind “equipment and helicopters so we can continue to reinforce this military after the U.N. departs.”

Without disclosing any specifics, Haitian officials hint about upcoming support from some UN troop-contributing nations. But, it’s far from clear if anything significant will actually pan out.

Getting a professional and equipped military off the ground will require sustained international support, a fact well understood by authorities in the donor-dependent country.

“That is my call to the international community: Don’t let us do the army alone,” Denis said.

I am totally for it and many Haitians have been calling for this since 2004. Demobilizing the military was one of the worst things Aristide has ever done. When you have men heavily armed and train and make them unemployed it will make the security situation even worse. Arisitide should have done a purge of the military instead of demobilizing it. The best solution is to have countries like Brazil, Ecuador, Cuba train the Haitian army. The Minustah is leaving(finally!:blessed:) But the national police will need help. My family and I have been waiting for this for a long time. :blessed:
 

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I don't know why the army was disbanded...
It was disbanded by Aristide after his first coup d'etat under pressure from the US state department. :hhh:Since then the security situation got worse from the mid-90s to the late 2000s. The reason is that alot of ex-Haitian military veterans created gangs and got into organized crime in Haiti. The idea was to prevent another coup. However ironically those same ex-military veterans gave Aristide his second coup in the 2004 uprising. :mjlol: So the plan backfired. The idea to bring back the army is popular across party lines. Even Aristides party Fanmi Lavalas were open to bringing back the army. So this is something that has Haitian in Haiti and the Diaspora wanted. It would be dope to have Haitian American soldiers or veterans train this new army.
 

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It was disbanded by Aristide after his first coup d'etat under pressure from the US state department. :hhh:Since then the security situation got worse from the mid-90s to the late 2000s. The reason is that alot of ex-Haitian military veterans created gangs and got into organized crime in Haiti. The idea was to prevent another coup. However ironically those same ex-military veterans gave Aristide his second coup in the 2004 uprising. :mjlol: So the plan backfired. The idea to bring back the army is popular across party lines. Even Aristides party Fanmi Lavalas were open to bringing back the army. So this is something that has Haitian in Haiti and the Diaspora wanted. It would be dope to have Haitian American soldiers or veterans train this new army.

Thanks for the good post. :ehh:
 
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This is the Ministry of Defense roadmap:

Ministry of Defense Roadmap :

"You will work to bring the army at the service of the Nation. In this sense, you must :

- Establishing and makes vote by Parliament the law for the reorganization and operation of the Haitian Armed Forces (FAD'H);
- Developing and makes vote by Parliament the law of military programming;
- Work with relevant ministries to draft and makes vote by Parliament the law establishing the Central Military Intelligence Directorate (DCRM);
- Collect information of strategic importance for the National Security Council (CNS).

The Armed Forces of Haiti must have qualified human resources. To this end, a budget will be gradually allocated to the Ministry of Defense. A Military Engineering Corps and a University Military Hospital will be established to enable the Armed Forces of Haiti to achieve their objectives. You rely on the laws and constitutional provisions to :

- Ensure knowledge of potential risks, threats and potential disruptions of any type;
- Anticipating crises by strengthening supervisory structures;
- Maintain the deterrent function;
- Permanently dispose of pre-positioned forces to better rescue and defend the territory;
- Contributing to the protection of the population on national territory, to the resilience of the Nation, in the face of risks and threats of all kinds (terrorism, drug trafficking, banditry, natural disasters, etc.);
- Strengthen the safety of facilities of vital importance;
- Secure the territory (air, land, sea);
- Supporting internal security and civil security systems;
- Contribute to international security by participating in stabilization and peacekeeping operations;
- To safeguard the interests of the Nation;
- Continuously and efficiently carry out national defense missions;
- To have specialized services and units contributing to the tasks of protecting the integrity of the territory and protecting the population;
- Conduct civic, environmental and development activities;
- Support the other components of the National Army;
- Rescue people and assist civil protection services in case of disasters and natural disasters;
- Contribuer à protéger et sécuriser les sites vitaux de la Nation ;
- Aider la police à contrecarrer les éventuelles activités terroristes.

So that the Haitian State can assert its sovereignty in its territorial waters. I ask you to make arrangements for :

- Ensure the defense of the coastline;
- Protecting maritime borders;
- Monitor maritime territory;
- Support the other components of the National Army;
- Provide maritime patrols.

You must safeguard the economic interests of the maritime domain. In this perspective you will:

- Ensure legal practices in marine fisheries;
- To combat maritime pollution (hydrocarbon, toxic waste);
- Combat smuggling and drug trafficking;
- Ensure the legal exploitation of cultural property and submarine treasures.

Should be ensured the public services in territorial waters. To this end, the Ministry of Defense must :

- Bringing relief and assistance to ships and people in danger in the Exclusive Economic Zone of Haiti;
- To carry out transport missions of public services;
- Ensure evacuation missions.

For years, the defense of airspace has not been assured. There is a need to:

- Defend Haitian airspace;
- Protect and defend airport areas;
- Support other forces in the transport and release of materials and men;
- Monitoring and protecting fisheries resources;
- Assist in search and rescue of ships and aircraft in distress.

I ask you to start preparing the 2017-2018 Budget, which will have to be approved by the Council of Ministers, after arbitration by the Ministry of the Economy and Finance, and filed within the required legal timeframe in Parliament.

You will also have the task of increasing transparency, the fight against corruption and the good management of public property. It will be up to you to organize, direct and animate the services, teams and agents of the State placed under your responsibility."

The Haitian national police have 14,000 men. The Army will have to be around double that. So that means 28,000-30,000 men. Ideally, I want Haiti to have 50,000-70,000 man army. This is why it is important to have a strong economy to pay for this.
 

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This is the Ministry of Defense roadmap:



The Haitian national police have 14,000 men. The Army will have to be around double that. So that means 28,000-30,000 men. Ideally, I want Haiti to have 50,000-70,000 man army. This is why it is important to have a strong economy to pay for this.

Exactly. But I do think the army would be good for jobs.
 

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Haiti honestly needs a conscription services, emphasizing education, if they're not going to allow dual-citizenship, then connecting a military industry to higher-education and stretching it across gender lines allows much more equitable development for their workforce, military as a whole, educated populace, and prevents a lot of issues including ignored sexual assault, and mass-gender disparities.
The unemployment rate would plunge, and the diverse training would allow for much faster and more widespread development.
The placement of the population of Sity Soley, and the development of massive housing projects could be accomplished with a strong army.
Military doctors (especially surgeons, OB/GYNs, and neuro). which take over a decade to educate as a part of the state force could also be a potential plus.

I have high-hopes, but I'm jumping the hell out of the gun.
 

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Haiti honestly needs a conscription services, emphasizing education, if they're not going to allow dual-citizenship, then connecting a military industry to higher-education and stretching it across gender lines allows much more equitable development for their workforce, military as a whole, educated populace, and prevents a lot of issues including ignored sexual assault, and mass-gender disparities.
The unemployment rate would plunge, and the diverse training would allow for much faster and more widespread development.
The placement of the population of Sity Soley, and the development of massive housing projects could be accomplished with a strong army.
Military doctors (especially surgeons, OB/GYNs, and neuro). which take over a decade to educate as a part of the state force could also be a potential plus.

I have high-hopes, but I'm jumping the hell out of the gun.
Speaking on dual-citizenship it is a very dicey issue in Haiti. And this is the main reason of contention between the Diaspora and Haitians in Haiti. Haitians are virulent nationalist and do not trust foreigners. And to a fault Haitian politicians have played into this nationalism to find a scapegoat. Many Haitians are against dual-citizenship because they do not trust Diaspora in the US and Canada. To them, we could potentially be puppets for these foreign govts. The problem is that many of the Haitian politicians are already puppets for the West. I just see as unfair that we in Diaspora have no say in Haiti's political and economic affairs. There is plenty of brilliant Haitians in the diaspora who can aid Haiti. Jovenel Moise is open to change the Dual citizenship laws since he has a large majority in Parliment.

And for a conscript army is a great idea for Haiti and something I always said would be effective. It would be cheaper to train. And this large reserve force would be trained in stabilizing the border, internal security and the coast. And it would more so a light infantry paramilitary force similar to Venezuela's National Militia. That means they will not need tanks. Only IFV's, jeeps, Humvees etc. Meanwhile, you give them a reasonable cheap salary and in the meantime, they go to school for free. It would be a boost for the nation long term.
 

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I am totally for it and many Haitians have been calling for this since 2004. Demobilizing the military was one of the worst things Aristide has ever done. When you have men heavily armed and train and make them unemployed it will make the security situation even worse. Arisitide should have done a purge of the military instead of demobilizing it. The best solution is to have countries like Brazil, Ecuador, Cuba train the Haitian army. The Minustah is leaving(finally!:blessed:) But the national police will need help. My family and I have been waiting for this for a long time. :blessed:
A standing army might be a bad idea in the long run.
Everything that feeds it is resources that are taken out of the mouth of the regular citizen.
It feels good to have one, might be a sense of national pride, but what is most likely to happen is that it will become a weapon used against the people, like the Egyptian army is against the Egyptian citizenry, commanded by the US. Like the Iranian army was during the time of the Shah, like the Turkish army was before Erodogen's purges.

The only nation you could really ask for military training support would be the russians, for geopolitical reasons, but south america is tainted, cuba is tainted with US influence.
 

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A standing army might be a bad idea in the long run.
Everything that feeds it is resources that are taken out of the mouth of the regular citizen.
It feels good to have one, might be a sense of national pride, but what is most likely to happen is that it will become a weapon used against the people, like the Egyptian army is against the Egyptian citizenry, commanded by the US. Like the Iranian army was during the time of the Shah, like the Turkish army was before Erodogen's purges.

The only nation you could really ask for military training support would be the russians, for geopolitical reasons, but south america is tainted, cuba is tainted with US influence.

The thing is the Minustah is leaving and it will lead to a security vacuum. The police is overstretched and cannot get the job done. So they need a reinforcing force to stabilize the island. And its a matter of national pride. We are the first black republic that defeated France, Spain, England and we do not have an army? WTF! Plus it is very uncomfortable that DR has an army and we do not. That is not to say we will go to war with them or that they could invade us but you must hope for the best and prepare for the worst. They have a Navy and airforce. So they have a military that can defend its territorial integrity. We do not. So it is high time to bring it back.

I would prefer both China and Russia to train this new military however they will want something in return. Haiti and Russia do not have any ties that much. The Chinese more so as they are a rising power. I would not want any US fingers in training this new army whatsoever. Haiti must look elsewhere maybe even Africa.
 
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The thing is the Minustah is leaving and it will lead to a security vacuum. The police is overstretched and cannot get the job done. So they need a reinforcing force to stabilize the island. And its a matter of national pride. We are the first black republic that defeated France, Spain, England and we do not have an army? WTF! Plus it is very uncomfortable that DR has an army and we do not. That is not to say we will go to war with them or that they could invade us but you must hope for the best and prepare for the worst. They have a Navy and airforce. So they have a military that can defend its territorial integrity. We do not. So it is high time to bring it back.

I would prefer both China and Russia to train this new military however they will want something in return. Haiti and Russia do not have any ties that much. The Chinese more so as they are a rising power. I would not want any US fingers in training this new army whatsoever. Haiti must look elsewhere maybe even Africa.

I think if you want to do something for national pride, you are setting yourself up to get fukked over, the people.
Haiti had a great past, acknowlege it and remember it, don't set yourself down a road that trying to recapture faded and past glory that could be used to enslave you in the future.

If you are looking for a military to police the nation, I think it would be far more beneficial to look at why it needs to be policed and whats causing the crime and etc than to look at masking the issue in the terms of concentration of force.

That said just my .02
 
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