Has hip-hop/rap music done more good or bad for the Black American community?

[stealthbomber]

in terms of effects on the black community it was all downhill after NWA

there are flashes of good messages (lupe, dead prez, j cole, most indie artists) but the bad overpowers the good tenfold

 

[Insensitive]

in terms of effects on the black community it was all downhill after NWA

there are flashes of good messages (lupe, dead prez, j cole, most indie artists) but the bad overpowers the good tenfold

How can that be ?
If anything there were more murders, crack was a huge
epidemic and gang banging was much more violent/organized.

Things were already "bad", I think saying that they weren't is a
disservice to anyone that went through and is still
going through that stuff before there was an even a Hip Hop to be spoken of.

I mean we have Stevie Wonder and Rick James speaking on it
LONG before an Ice Cube or even grandmaster flash.....

So, did Jazz turn everyone into intellectuals? Did Blues turn everyone into existentialist? Essentially your argument is that en masse, the black community isn't intelligent enough to recognize highly fictional portrayals of urban life to be entertainment. And that because of this, a generation of black youth, unaffected by any larger societal issues, have chosen to fulfill their destiny's as laid out by the highly sensationalized fantasies presented in rap music.


That is one of the most racist arguments I've ever heard. Are you really that fukking stupid?

I say this all the time.

It's funny because I listen to Metal and it has some of the most violent
lyrics outside of Hip Hop. Songs about mass genocide, demons, possession, suicide and more
Yet it's still pretty damn popular among white people.
And most don't feel it's the cause of violence .

In the black community it's the total opposite "Gangsta/ster Rap" a sub-genre
of Hip Hop that's fallen out of popularity in recent years is still used as a scapegoat
to dead any discussion on what affects black people.

There are people who genuinely believe that terrible schooling, parenting and
generally growing up in a pretty sh1t area can all be overcame if the
children being affected just listen to Lupe records and avoid watching "BET".
And of course history points to a lot of very big issues going on when Jazz was
popular, when blues was popular, when R&B and Soul was popular,
when Disco was popular, when funk was popular again all before Hip hop.


It's like a direct slap in the face to anyone facing real issues at the moment,
even leads to some blacks taking the same stance as white nationalists.
And brings the discussion to a genre of music instead of the ridiculous
academic achievement gap between black and white students, racial profiling, the incarceration
rates of black males or any other issues that blacks in America might be facing.

 

[Bud Bundy]

Has hip-hop/rap music done more good or bad for the Black American community?

Thoughts?

It is just music.

Music is neither the cause nor the solution to problems in the black community.

 

[Kid McNamara]

How can that be ?
If anything there were more murders, crack was a huge
epidemic and gang banging was much more violent/organized.

Things were already "bad", I think saying that they weren't is a
disservice to anyone that went through and is still
going through that stuff before there was an even a Hip Hop to be spoken of.

I mean we have Stevie Wonder and Rick James speaking on it
LONG before an Ice Cube or even grandmaster flash.....





I say this all the time.

It's funny because I listen to Metal and it has some of the most violent
lyrics outside of Hip Hop. Songs about mass genocide, demons, possession, suicide and more
Yet it's still pretty damn popular among white people.
And most don't feel it's the cause of violence .

In the black community it's the total opposite "Gangsta/ster Rap" a sub-genre
of Hip Hop that's fallen out of popularity in recent years is still used as a scapegoat
to dead any discussion on what affects black people.

There are people who genuinely believe that terrible schooling, parenting and
generally growing up in a pretty sh1t area can all be overcame if the
children being affected just listen to Lupe records and avoid watching "BET".
And of course history points to a lot of very big issues going on when Jazz was
popular, when blues was popular, when R&B and Soul was popular,
when Disco was popular, when funk was popular again all before Hip hop.


It's like a direct slap in the face to anyone facing real issues at the moment,
even leads to some blacks taking the same stance as white nationalists.
And brings the discussion to a genre of music instead of the ridiculous
academic achievement gap between black and white students, racial profiling, the incarceration
rates of black males or any other issues that blacks in America might be facing.

I was trying to be all abstract with it, meanwhile you just deaded this whole thread. Good job mate.

 

[Ski Mask]

Music wise, I do believe it has stunted us somewhat, but everything else is just pure speculation and racist thinking that black people can't tell the difference of fiction and reality.

 

[theworldismine13]

How can that be ?
If anything there were more murders, crack was a huge
epidemic and gang banging was much more violent/organized.

Things were already "bad", I think saying that they weren't is a
disservice to anyone that went through and is still
going through that stuff before there was an even a Hip Hop to be spoken of.

I mean we have Stevie Wonder and Rick James speaking on it
LONG before an Ice Cube or even grandmaster flash.....





I say this all the time.

It's funny because I listen to Metal and it has some of the most violent
lyrics outside of Hip Hop. Songs about mass genocide, demons, possession, suicide and more
Yet it's still pretty damn popular among white people.
And most don't feel it's the cause of violence .

In the black community it's the total opposite "Gangsta/ster Rap" a sub-genre
of Hip Hop that's fallen out of popularity in recent years is still used as a scapegoat
to dead any discussion on what affects black people.

There are people who genuinely believe that terrible schooling, parenting and
generally growing up in a pretty sh1t area can all be overcame if the
children being affected just listen to Lupe records and avoid watching "BET".
And of course history points to a lot of very big issues going on when Jazz was
popular, when blues was popular, when R&B and Soul was popular,
when Disco was popular, when funk was popular again all before Hip hop.


It's like a direct slap in the face to anyone facing real issues at the moment,
even leads to some blacks taking the same stance as white nationalists.
And brings the discussion to a genre of music instead of the ridiculous
academic achievement gap between black and white students, racial profiling, the incarceration
rates of black males or any other issues that blacks in America might be facing.

the question wasnt is rap music responsible for every problem in the universe, the question was is rap music good or bad for black america

even if rap music wasn't responsible for any of those things that still wouldnt answer the question as to whether rap music is good or bad

every culture that wants to survive has to go through a self analysis and what happened is that because corporate america like to use rap music as a place where americans can go to for sexual and violent entertainment its trying to stop black people from really looking at what the hell is going in rap msuic

anybody with a half a brain can see that rap culture is dying and its stuck in a rut and its not a really a way for black people to move forward, that is why its bad for black people, its a dead culture

as far as the notion that black kids cant tell fiction from reality, i dont know where that came from, that wasnt my argument, my argument is that we need to uplifting black culture, rap music is a form of identity for black kids so if rap music turn into a degenerate culture then black kids will start identifying with that

i think what is really racist is this notion that the only way to fix problems is by some outside force, black people do not need an outside force to come and fix problems, we need to create a culture that is positive, uplifting and academically oriented, and fundamentally the people that listen to rap music are ultimately responsible for fixing problems , not some outside force, that is why you have to be careful about what is said and the images that are being portrayed

i think people confused the notion of freedom of speech and that you can say whatever you want with the notion that it doesnt matter what you say, that is a lie, no society works that way, it does matter what an artists says and it does matter what and how people listen to art

 

[Juno]

the question wasnt is rap music responsible for every problem in the universe, the question was is rap music good or bad for black america

even if rap music wasn't responsible for any of those things that still wouldnt answer the question as to whether rap music is good or bad

every culture that wants to survive has to go through a self analysis and what happened is that because corporate america like to use rap music as a place where americans can go to for sexual and violent entertainment its trying to stop black people from really looking at what the hell is going in rap msuic

anybody with a half a brain can see that rap culture is dying and its stuck in a rut and its not a really a way for black people to move forward, that is why its bad for black people, its a dead culture

as far as the notion that black kids cant tell fiction from reality, i dont know where that came from, that wasnt my argument, my argument is that we need to uplifting black culture, rap music is a form of identity for black kids so if rap music turn into a degenerate culture then black kids will start identifying with that

i think what is really racist is this notion that the only way to fix problems is by some outside force, black people do not need an outside force to come and fix problems, we need to create a culture that is positive, uplifting and academically oriented, and fundamentally the people that listen to rap music are ultimately responsible for fixing problems , not some outside force, that is why you have to be careful about what is said and the images that are being portrayed

i think people confused the notion of freedom of speech and that you can say whatever you want with the notion that it doesnt matter what you say, that is a lie, no society works that way, it does matter what an artists says and it does matter what and how people listen to art

Well said indeed

 

[Lord Beasley]

gold all in my watch....don't believe me just watch
nikka nikka nikka

 

[MikelArteta]

I gave up listening to this filth years ago.



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[DStyles]

All I know is that my kids won't be listening to this violent type of music.

They gonna grow up listening to Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, SRV, Eric Clapton, Queen, The Strokes, Interpol, Arcade Fire, Arctic Monkeys

 

[Big D Bangston]

People/circumstance are responsible for their misfortune, not music or any other media.

No disrespect to the thread starter, but by the logic of this thread any black person whose ever listened to rap should be a d boy, ho, or deadbeat.

We need to stop giving people excuses for why they are lazy/fukkups/lost

 

[theworldismine13]

People/circumstance are responsible for their misfortune, not music or any other media.

No disrespect to the thread starter, but by the logic of this thread any black person whose ever listened to rap should be a d boy, ho, or deadbeat.

We need to stop giving people excuses for why they are lazy/fukkups/lost

just because there isnt a direct connection doesn't put rap music off the hook

what we need to do is stop making excuses for intellectual laziness and spreading this notion that culture (which music is part of) doesnt matter, the only people that benefit from black people not critiquing rap music is corporate america and people that want to exploit rap music

 

[Brown_Pride]

anyone over 27 years old who has actually been around to witness the changes and anyone with half a brain can tell you the overall affect is negative. Is it THE problem facing young black americans? No, but it is another stone on the road.

There are social subtleties that music affect that aren't always so obvious. As with most things there really is no black and white.

Hip hop affects kids, young impressionable kids if you're not affected then kudos you are mature enough to recognize art for art. Sadly a lot of kids can't.

I really wish someone would do some real work into this situation so we could quantify something. As a parent, who also listens to hip hop, my kids ain't touching this shyt with a 10 foot pole until i feel they are mature enough. What's funny, a lot of parents, particularly younger parents don't do this and you have 8,9,10 year old listening to shyt and it affects them.

 

[GMOGMediaTV]

Read my article on my site The Gospel truth about Christian Hip Hop

I break this shyt down.

 

[ltheghost]

I'm going to take the third option. It hasn't made or broke the black community. The thing that is constantly fukking up black communities is, drugs, drug dealers, low levels of education, unemployment, high levels of prison incarceration, private prison industrial complex, mass media feeding stereotypes of the black community (Black men successful now fall from grace stories), the "Black Church" (reinforcing complacency in the community), lack of support for Black owned businesses in Black communities, lack of a black community and actual Black Leaders. Too many baby mommas with the Tyler Perry mentality. But more importantly it is acceptance of the bullshyt that harms us as a people that is dragging us down more than anything. The media makes a big national panic about bombs going off in Boston but the amount of killing that goes on in Chicago makes it seem Chicago is really Iraq (Like it's not part of the United States). But pressure creates diamonds over time. The "community" will rebound, unless crack happens again. Music isn't even close to the real problems with the community.

But I digress.....when the community changes...the music will too.