Has it hit anyone that Republicans will soon control the Senate

[ill]

@The Taxman Blacks have been voting for Democrats for 50+ years. Hows that been working out for you?

 

[Micky Mikey]

Are you saying the promoter of the military industrial complex does that?

That seems to be the assumption. Though there are war hawks in both parties. GOP does have there fair share of individuals who believe foreign policy should be dictated through the barrel of gun.
What many of your aren't taking into account is that both parties have politicians with their own set of ideals and interpretations on how to lead a nation. I'm saying that for the ideals in which I stand strong by; individual freedom, liberties and less government, those are more often than pushed by members within the GOP.

 

[tmonster]

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

dems and repubs are nothing more than faces and heels working for the same owner.

it's a show people. it's a work.

 

[theworldismine13]

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[ghostwriterx]

That seems to be the assumption. Though there are war hawks in both parties. GOP does have there fair share of individuals who believe foreign policy should be dictated through the barrel of gun.
What many of your aren't taking into account is that both parties have politicians with their own set of ideals and interpretations on how to lead a nation. I'm saying that for the ideals in which I stand strong by; individual freedom, liberties and less government, those are more often than pushed by members within the GOP.

The prison industrial complex is pretty much the opposite of liberty and small govt. Republicans pay lip service to individual freedom and less govt. but in reality? ie the Patriot Act and banning gay marriage.

 

[theworldismine13]

So despite the fact that black Americans make larger economic gains under Democratic administrations and the alternative is the anti-science, anti-black, anti-women's rights, pro-death penalty and mandatory minimum party because you hate Mexicans?

Sounds like a plan.

there is a lot of ignorance and duplicity in this post so lets unpack this step by step

that black Americans make larger economic gains under Democratic administrations

what are you calling a "Democratic administration"?

this is a congressional election not presidential, so its irrelevant how blacks have done under "democratic administration", second of all a lot of those "democratic administrations" were with a republican congress including clinton...so using your logic black people have done best under a democratic president and republican house/senate, which means black people should vote for republicans to take control, like the good old days with clinton

I put "democratic administration" in quotes because most american cities and also majority black cities have been under "democratic administration" also through mayors and governors, how have those cities fared?

FYI the political system is divided between federal, state and local political bodies, so when you say "Democratic administration" you should be specific about which level you are talking about, this is an important point because as can be seen from ferguson to detroit local politics is just as important federal politics

the anti science, i would agree that anti science is a bad trait amongst republicans

anti black: democrats are anti black also, this notion of voting "for the good white folk" is stupid

anti women's rights: dont care

death penalty: im pro death penalty

mandatory minimum sentences: this is where your whole logic breaks down, the authors and architects of the minimum mandatory sentences where democrats, specifically biden, who for most of his political career was the chairman of the judiciary committee and has written EVERY single criminal bill since the 80's and bill clinton who signed a bunch minimum mandatory sentences into law, if you are against minimum sentences and for ending the drug war then you should vote libertarian not democrat, democrats are the architects of the drug war and minimum sentences........bu bu bu but they some good white folk tho

i dont hate mexicans, but if i do, so what?

my beef is with illegal immigration, which studies have shown hurts natives with low skills and low education ie black people that leave in poor areas, so as a black person i think the interests of low skilled, low educated is more important than allowing huge flows of people into the country, i dont think illegal immigration is in black people's interest so why would i vote for a party who platform is to allow huge flows of low skilled workers into the country that will hurt low skilled black workers?.......yeah i know that you think demcorats are "some good white folk" but their immigration policy is stupid

 

[theworldismine13]

The prison industrial complex is pretty much the opposite of liberty and small govt. Republicans pay lip service to individual freedom and less govt. but in reality? ie the Patriot Act and banning gay marriage.

the creation of the "prison industrial complex" is a bipartisan affair, which included biden and clinton as some of the prime architects

if you think that is an important issue you should vote libertarian or for a third party

 

[ghostwriterx]

the creation of the "prison industrial complex" is a bipartisan affair, which included biden and clinton as some of the prime architects

if you think that is an important issue you should vote libertarian or for a third party

No argument there, except the seeds of the prison industrial complex were planted long before Clinton and Biden.

 

[Handsback]

there is a lot of ignorance and duplicity in this post so lets unpack this step by step



what are you calling a "Democratic administration"?

this is a congressional election not presidential, so its irrelevant how blacks have done under "democratic administration", second of all a lot of those "democratic administrations" were with a republican congress including clinton...so using your logic black people have done best under a democratic president and republican house/senate, which means black people should vote for republicans to take control, like the good old days with clinton

I put "democratic administration" in quotes because most american cities and also majority black cities have been under "democratic administration" also through mayors and governors, how have those cities fared?

FYI the political system is divided between federal, state and local political bodies, so when you say "Democratic administration" you should be specific about which level you are talking about, this is an important point because as can be seen from ferguson to detroit local politics is just as important federal politics

the anti science, i would agree that anti science is a bad trait amongst republicans

anti black: democrats are anti black also, this notion of voting "for the good white folk" is stupid

anti women's rights: dont care

death penalty: im pro death penalty

mandatory minimum sentences: this is where your whole logic breaks down, the authors and architects of the minimum mandatory sentences where democrats, specifically biden, who for most of his political career was the chairman of the judiciary committee and has written EVERY single criminal bill since the 80's and bill clinton who signed a bunch minimum mandatory sentences into law, if you are against minimum sentences and for ending the drug war then you should vote libertarian not democrat, democrats are the architects of the drug war and minimum sentences........bu bu bu but they some good white folk tho

i dont hate mexicans, but if i do, so what?

my beef is with illegal immigration, which studies have shown hurts natives with low skills and low education ie black people that leave in poor areas, so as a black person i think the interests of low skilled, low educated is more important than allowing huge flows of people into the country, i dont think illegal immigration is in black people's interest so why would i vote for a party who platform is to allow huge flows of low skilled workers into the country that will hurt low skilled black workers?.......yeah i know that you think demcorats are "some good white folk" but their immigration policy is stupid

So you don't care about women or Mexicans. Yeah you sure do sound like a Republican to me. And based off of your post, it doesn't look like you care about black folks either.

Thank you for the high school social studies review. Very helpful. However that doesn't negate the current political environment that is notably different than we have dealt with previously. Clinton was able to pass legislation, some of it good, some of it bad, because Congress agreed to pass some legislation (at least for a while). Today, ANY proposal is shot down. Obama wants it? They don't. Doesn't matter what it is. This Republican controlled Congress is fundamentally different than anything else any president has had to deal with before.

Do I (hell does anyone) agree with Democratic policies all the time? Hell no. But do I disagree with the Republican agenda more? Absolutely. And unfortunately these are the only likely parties to win anything in the foreseeable future. If I have to choose a party that is ambivalent towards black issues but promotes health and education or a party that outright dislikes us and cuts health and educations, I'll choose the former.

And why are we confined to unskilled labor positions? I'd like us to shoot a little higher than competing for minimum wage and under the table employment. How? Higher education standards favored by the left. Subsidies for college education, Warren fighting for lower rates on student loans. We have Holder, who your Republicans hate like nobody else, knocking down mandatory minimums. Financial reforms to combat predatory lending that was focused on lower income black communities.

Are the Democrats great? No. Are they a better choice for black Americans? Yes. And there are very distinct differences in how people perceive black folks and how they vote. Republicans do not look kindly on us. And your death penalty disproportionately affects Blacks and it's a near mathematical certainty that it's been used to kill innocent people.

We aren't going to get everything we want from the Democrats but we will get NOTHING we want from Republicans. Being pro black is progressive. There's no other way to state it. We will vote for competency first and that may come from either party, but as a whole we get our best shots with the Democrats. Republicans accept candidates who are not kind in their outlook of us.

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/16/gop...e_truth_about_americas_most_hateful_dividers/

 

[Tony D'Amato]

@The Taxman Blacks have been voting for Democrats for 50+ years. Hows that been working out for you?

The civil rights act... Its goin a lot better than it could be goin It would be going even better if dems got to appoint Clarence Thomas and Scalia's replacements.

That also makes it seem like Democrats have been in charge for 50+ yrs

 

[theworldismine13]

So you don't care about women or Mexicans.

i care about everybody

but lets say i dont care about women and mexicans......................so what?

Yeah you sure do sound like a Republican to me.

what do you mean i sound like a republican? I thought I had made it obvious that i agree with republicans on a lot of issues

what exactly is wrong with me sounding like a republican?

And based off of your post, it doesn't look like you care about black folks either.

thats because you are making assumptions about what it means to care and what it means to be black

Thank you for the high school social studies review. Very helpful. However that doesn't negate the current political environment that is notably different than we have dealt with previously. Clinton was able to pass legislation, some of it good, some of it bad, because Congress agreed to pass some legislation (at least for a while). Today, ANY proposal is shot down. Obama wants it? They don't. Doesn't matter what it is. This Republican controlled Congress is fundamentally different than anything else any president has had to deal with before.

i was being facetious, i pointed out that clinton had a republican congress just to show how superficial that analysis (that blacks do better under democrats) was

i think obama's best idea was obamacare, i never agreed that all of Obama's proposals were good tho, i never agreed that the democratic agenda was the best agenda for the country, so why would i care if they are shot down?

Do I (hell does anyone) agree with Democratic policies all the time? Hell no. But do I disagree with the Republican agenda more? Absolutely. And unfortunately these are the only likely parties to win anything in the foreseeable future. If I have to choose a party that is ambivalent towards black issues but promotes health and education or a party that outright dislikes us and cuts health and educations, I'll choose the former.

and i think thats fine, thanks for sharing your political views with me

i never cosigned your political views tho

And why are we confined to unskilled labor positions? I'd like us to shoot a little higher than competing for minimum wage and under the table employment. How? Higher education standards favored by the left. Subsidies for college education, Warren fighting for lower rates on student loans. We have Holder, who your Republicans hate like nobody else, knocking down mandatory minimums. Financial reforms to combat predatory lending that was focused on lower income black communities.

i dont agree that we shouldn't be competing for minimum wage, minimum wage jobs are the foundation for future prosperity, that is where you get experience to get a raise in the future, it is VERY important for black people that have low skills and low education to have access to low skilled jobs, that is a good foundation for the future of the black community and provides the economic base for the education and stability of the children of the workers

i do agree for the need of higher education spending and student loan reform

im glad holder is fighting against minimum sentence, its the least he could do since as a high ranking official in the clinton justice department he was involved in creating those minimum sentences

and overall the obama administration has been very weak on combating financial crimes, i give em props for baby steps here and there, but again its the least they could do considering obama is filled with wall street types that have protected their buddies

but none of the issues are make or break issues that portend an impending crisis for black people

Are the Democrats great? No. Are they a better choice for black Americans? Yes. And there are very distinct differences in how people perceive black folks and how they vote. Republicans do not look kindly on us. And your death penalty disproportionately affects Blacks and it's a near mathematical certainty that it's been used to kill innocent people.

We aren't going to get everything we want from the Democrats but we will get NOTHING we want from Republicans. Being pro black is progressive. There's no other way to state it. We will vote for competency first and that may come from either party, but as a whole we get our best shots with the Democrats. Republicans accept candidates who are not kind in their outlook of us.

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/16/gops_post_racial_fantasy_secession_delusion_and_the_truth_about_americas_most_hateful_dividers

but basically i don't care

being pro black is not being progressive, thats just some stupid shyt that black people have been bamboozled by and you are trying to bamboozle me

im an independent, and my poltics are center right, i dont really care about "progressive" politics, IMO the future of black people depends on black people, period, black people need to focus on invigorating our culture to make it a more academically oriented culture and on business and property ownership

politics is secondary, its important but its not where our future will be decided, our future will not be decided by who controls congress, we decide our future not politics

 

[KingpinOG]

What has the Republican party done in recent years that is so destructive to blacks? Besides a few racist epithets from a few bigots. Theres racist in both parties.
There is a Democrat in office in almost every predominantly black city across this nation. And yet the schools are terrible. Unemployment is high.
Crime is high.
Hopelessness is high.

I'm a little confused as to what the Democrats have actually done in black people's favor for us to be so adament about critiquing the GOP. Was it not the Democrats who held office in Detroit while it deteriorated all these years?
Was it not a Democratic mayor whose held office in Chiraq all these years?
Is it not the Democrats who support the abortion of thousands of black babies yearly in what is essentially state sponsored genocide?
Was it not the Democrats and Liberals who duped black women to essentially let the government take the place of a man in the home, leaving our families broken and the black man irrelevant?

@ this heat.


Dude just shut down the entire thread.

 

[KingpinOG]

So only blacks and Hispanics fight in stupid wars now?
What policies have put in place my democrats and liberals that have actually had a profound positive impact on black people here in America? And that is sort of a rhetorical question.
I'm not blaming dems for the breakup of the black family.I am blaming they have policies put in place that have had a negative impact. Do you see the difference? Though they may have been well intentioned they have had devastating affects. The fallout from it can be seen everyday in black America. More government IS NOT the answer for our problems.

Are we going to act like The Reckoning and TheWorldisMine aren't sonning the fukk out of the left wing idiots on this board?????

Talk about a thread back firing.........

.

 

[Micky Mikey]

there is a lot of ignorance and duplicity in this post so lets unpack this step by step



what are you calling a "Democratic administration"?

this is a congressional election not presidential, so its irrelevant how blacks have done under "democratic administration", second of all a lot of those "democratic administrations" were with a republican congress including clinton...so using your logic black people have done best under a democratic president and republican house/senate, which means black people should vote for republicans to take control, like the good old days with clinton

I put "democratic administration" in quotes because most american cities and also majority black cities have been under "democratic administration" also through mayors and governors, how have those cities fared?

FYI the political system is divided between federal, state and local political bodies, so when you say "Democratic administration" you should be specific about which level you are talking about, this is an important point because as can be seen from ferguson to detroit local politics is just as important federal politics

the anti science, i would agree that anti science is a bad trait amongst republicans

anti black: democrats are anti black also, this notion of voting "for the good white folk" is stupid

anti women's rights: dont care

death penalty: im pro death penalty

mandatory minimum sentences: this is where your whole logic breaks down, the authors and architects of the minimum mandatory sentences where democrats, specifically biden, who for most of his political career was the chairman of the judiciary committee and has written EVERY single criminal bill since the 80's and bill clinton who signed a bunch minimum mandatory sentences into law, if you are against minimum sentences and for ending the drug war then you should vote libertarian not democrat, democrats are the architects of the drug war and minimum sentences........bu bu bu but they some good white folk tho

i dont hate mexicans, but if i do, so what?

my beef is with illegal immigration, which studies have shown hurts natives with low skills and low education ie black people that leave in poor areas, so as a black person i think the interests of low skilled, low educated is more important than allowing huge flows of people into the country, i dont think illegal immigration is in black people's interest so why would i vote for a party who platform is to allow huge flows of low skilled workers into the country that will hurt low skilled black workers?.......yeah i know that you think demcorats are "some good white folk" but their immigration policy is stupid