Has John Wall reached his ceiling?

[Bledswole]

John is 26. If he averages 22 and 10 with a couple steals for the next 7 seasons... he'll be a Hall of Famer

I didn't think he'd get better this year. But I guess he had to get in shape after two knee surgeries last summer.

He's a legitimate All-Star player. But will he ever get to the next step of MVP caliber? Doubt it.

We'll see,he gon prove yall wrong

 

[Blackrogue]

I don't understand how people are taking players who will be deliberately isolated in playoffs. They score slightly more than Wall.. Kemba don't.. But even then the disparity on assists and how wall runs the offense is so huge..
People really basic thinkers on here. There's guys here when I read their posts months later it makes me totally dismiss everything they'll ever say going forward

 

[Blackrogue]

Breh look at his numbers. The dude ain't gonna do better than that.

Like I said how much more room does he have left to improve?

There's still room. Number wise he can improve the rebounding and free throw drawing. He can get to 25 ppg easily off of increased attempts and drawing free throws. But functionally personally I don't need him to. I want a balanced team that only relies on him to takeover. That way as a team the energy is utilized properly on whatever it'll take to win including defensive runs.

Walls already a ten assist per game player and arguably the best passer at his spot. Already he has one of the highest IQ at his position. Already has super elite size and speed for his position. One of the best defenders at his position. So upside will always be there. Increased impact will be there.

Ultimately his upside is a much smarter Westbrook. Westbrook is a liability when it comes to his IQ. All these top flight GPS have liabilities and.mostly it's size, defense, IQ and ability to run team offense. Wall one day will reach a point where he is not a Liability in any aspect of the game. How many pgs can you say that about?

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

He's just a slightly better version of Rondo..

Rondo needed a dynamic 3 (Pierce, Garnett and Allen) to excel.. so there you go about what Wall is and needs

As soon as the Wizards let go of the "Wall is the face of the franchise" mentality, the better they will be. He needs to be a midseason trade if they arent the 6th seed by then.

 

[Bledswole]

I don't understand how people are taking players who will be deliberately isolated in playoffs. They score slightly more than Wall.. Kemba don't.. But even then the disparity on assists and how wall runs the offense is so huge..
People really basic thinkers on here. There's guys here when I read their posts months later it makes me totally dismiss everything they'll ever say going forward

Yea,and then they have no valid reasons on why they rate Wall low,like how can you rate a guy who is the top player on his team,averaging 23,10,4 and leading the league in steals,while being a helluva on ball defender,especially at his position?

He can't dribble and shoot like Kyrie and Kemba so he not as good

 

[PS5 Pro]

It's not whether you agree with it or not - that was the narrative on this board. I simply wasn't hearing all those excuses, when folk weren't applying the same to other star PGs (in this context - Kyrie).

Wall was leading his team to the playoffs and barring injury would have made it to the Eastern conference finals. Kyrie in a weak as fukk/tank mode Eastern conference couldn't will Cleveland TO the playoffs. Now Kyrie got a super team and they still had to get lucky to win. That is what you see, it's the present reality. If you don't accept it then

John is 26. If he averages 22 and 10 with a couple steals for the next 7 seasons... he'll be a Hall of Famer

I didn't think he'd get better this year. But I guess he had to get in shape after two knee surgeries last summer.

He's a legitimate All-Star player. But will he ever get to the next step of MVP caliber? Doubt it.

And that's because you have a loser mentality Every thread, every post about the wizards is negative from you. How many years til you just quit watching? We winning now, sure Ernie did his job, the pieces are awesome, John continues to grow. You didn't wanna pay him his last contract

Why don't you enjoy the team, stop acting like being a negative factors into results because it doesn't. You just need to log off for a while. Bandwagon fans make me sick

 

[FAH1223]

Wall was leading his team to the playoffs and barring injury would have made it to the Eastern conference finals. Kyrie in a weak as fukk/tank mode Eastern conference couldn't will Cleveland TO the playoffs. Now Kyrie got a super team and they still had to get lucky to win. That is what you see, it's the present reality. If you don't accept it then

And that's because you have a loser mentality Every thread, every post about the wizards is negative from you. How many years til you just quit watching? We winning now, sure Ernie did his job, the pieces are awesome, John continues to grow. You didn't wanna pay him his last contract

Why don't you enjoy the team, stop acting like being a negative factors into results because it doesn't. You just need to log off for a while. Bandwagon fans make me sick

I wanted Wall to be re-signed but I said in 2013 that he was oft-injured and couldn't be relied upon. Well guess what, he's become an iron man and has missed only a couple of games since then and he's lived up to the deal.

Also, Ernie didn't do his job. If he did his job we wouldn't have to see his cleaning up of his own messes by signing crappy players and dumping assets to get rid of them.

 

[Bigtymer301]

Wall was leading his team to the playoffs and barring injury would have made it to the Eastern conference finals. Kyrie in a weak as fukk/tank mode Eastern conference couldn't will Cleveland TO the playoffs. Now Kyrie got a super team and they still had to get lucky to win. That is what you see, it's the present reality. If you don't accept it then

And that's because you have a loser mentality Every thread, every post about the wizards is negative from you. How many years til you just quit watching? We winning now, sure Ernie did his job, the pieces are awesome, John continues to grow. You didn't wanna pay him his last contract

Why don't you enjoy the team, stop acting like being a negative factors into results because it doesn't. You just need to log off for a while. Bandwagon fans make me sick

......I see some of y'all nikkas on y'all Trump "alternative facts" shyt......
Before Bron went back to Cleveland, the Cavs had some of, if not the worst talent in the league. If I'm not mistaken, they had the worst record in the league the year after Bron left. That's why they got the number 1 pick. That's how they drafted Kyrie. Very similar to when Wall was drafted. Wizards were one of the worst teams in the league, which is why they had the top pick. What did Wall do in his first 3 years before he got help......missed the playoffs in a weak ass Eastern conference. The exact same thing you going in on Kyrie for. And whether they got lucky or not, Kyrie been to 2 finals, and got a ring, so at this point he has better team accomplishments, and much better individual accomplishments than Wall. (And no...if you swap Wall with Kyrie last year, the Cavs do not still win the title......) Wall didn't sniff the playoffs until he got much better talent around him. So, let's not tell lies. I live in DC, and go to hella games. We always support the home team, and I remember Walls first few seasons, and the Wizards were terrible. Yeah, he had very little help, but what he had was still better than what Kyrie had.

Wall is right up there in my top 5 favorite players. I'm definitely not trying to bash him. I think he has the highest ceiling of all the PG's in the league, with the exception of maybe Westbrook. He is right up there when you are talking about the top pass first PG's in the league (CP3/Rubio). He just needs a jumper. That's the only thing holding him back. The league is different now, and most top PG's can shoot with consistency, which is why Rondo fell off so hard so quickly. I don't like comparing the 2 because they are my 2 fav point guards, but they both give you something different. I don't think you can win a championship with Wall leading you in scoring, just like i don't think you can win a chip with Kyrie leading you in assists. I just think Kyrie's scoring ability makes him much more dynamic than Wall. Who's better is a matter of perspective. At the end of the day, everybody needs help to win.

 

[Smashius Clay]

Breh look at his numbers. The dude ain't gonna do better than that.

Like I said how much more room does he have left to improve?

Him working on his shot is all he needs to do to prove you wrong, so your assessment is bunk.

 

[Here Comes the Pain]

Him working on his shot is all he needs to do to prove you wrong, so your assessment is bunk.

It's not actually.

This is as good of a season that he's gonna have from an individual standpoint.

Unless he does even better statistically which I highly doubt, I think it's safe to say that we're seeing him at his absolute best this season.

 

[DIMES]

hmmm

Curry, CP3 (declining), Russy.... who else?

Lowry is having a better season than Wall.

Don't say Isaiah or Kyrie.

Yes Isiah & kyrie

 

[Bledswole]

Yes Isiah & kyrie

 

[PS5 Pro]

I wanted Wall to be re-signed but I said in 2013 that he was oft-injured and couldn't be relied upon. Well guess what, he's become an iron man and has missed only a couple of games since then and he's lived up to the deal.

Also, Ernie didn't do his job. If he did his job we wouldn't have to see his cleaning up of his own messes by signing crappy players and dumping assets to get rid of them.

Bruh, once again you sound crazy. Every team has players that don't work out. From the San Antonio Spurs to the New England Patriots. You're not being reasonable because you ignore all the good moves that have been made to get us where we are today. So what Jan Vesely didn't pan out here, we tried. Truth is we wasn't a place for young players to grow, can't blame Jan for that, can't blame Ernie for trying We got Jan 2.0 in Jason Smith and Ernie had the foresight to sign that man outright for peanuts you hated the Marcus Morris move, even Ian will pan out. The recent trade frees up salary cap to resign Otto. McCullough who was the throw in is another one of Ernie's gems. Peep game...

You think wall can't work with a talent like that

......I see some of y'all nikkas on y'all Trump "alternative facts" shyt......
Before Bron went back to Cleveland, the Cavs had some of, if not the worst talent in the league. If I'm not mistaken, they had the worst record in the league the year after Bron left. That's why they got the number 1 pick. That's how they drafted Kyrie. Very similar to when Wall was drafted. Wizards were one of the worst teams in the league, which is why they had the top pick. What did Wall do in his first 3 years before he got help......missed the playoffs in a weak ass Eastern conference. The exact same thing you going in on Kyrie for. And whether they got lucky or not, Kyrie been to 2 finals, and got a ring, so at this point he has better team accomplishments, and much better individual accomplishments than Wall. (And no...if you swap Wall with Kyrie last year, the Cavs do not still win the title......) Wall didn't sniff the playoffs until he got much better talent around him. So, let's not tell lies. I live in DC, and go to hella games. We always support the home team, and I remember Walls first few seasons, and the Wizards were terrible. Yeah, he had very little help, but what he had was still better than what Kyrie had.

Wall is right up there in my top 5 favorite players. I'm definitely not trying to bash him. I think he has the highest ceiling of all the PG's in the league, with the exception of maybe Westbrook. He is right up there when you are talking about the top pass first PG's in the league (CP3/Rubio). He just needs a jumper. That's the only thing holding him back. The league is different now, and most top PG's can shoot with consistency, which is why Rondo fell off so hard so quickly. I don't like comparing the 2 because they are my 2 fav point guards, but they both give you something different. I don't think you can win a championship with Wall leading you in scoring, just like i don't think you can win a chip with Kyrie leading you in assists. I just think Kyrie's scoring ability makes him much more dynamic than Wall. Who's better is a matter of perspective. At the end of the day, everybody needs help to win.

Bruh, wtf are you talking about? Where did I say wall never missed the playoffs? And you talking like you a bigger wizards fan than me?
I'm wizards over Redskins, I'm in S.E. What, but I could live on the moon and it's still wizards over everything, you better slow your young ass roll when in the presence of the elder gawd 2 and 3 years ago the wiz were going to the 2nd Rd and would have went father barring injury. Kyrie wasn't doing shyt till LeBron and love got there. Instead of leading off with Trump, how about you speak on the subject and save that dissertation bullshyt for another thread

 

[Bigtymer301]

Bruh, once again you sound crazy. Every team has players that don't work out. From the San Antonio Spurs to the New England Patriots. You're not being reasonable because you ignore all the good moves that have been made to get us where we are today. So what Jan Vesely didn't pan out here, we tried. Truth is we wasn't a place for young players to grow, can't blame Jan for that, can't blame Ernie for trying We got Jan 2.0 in Jason Smith and Ernie had the foresight to sign that man outright for peanuts you hated the Marcus Morris move, even Ian will pan out. The recent trade frees up salary cap to resign Otto. McCullough who was the throw in is another one of Ernie's gems. Peep game...

You think wall can't work with a talent like that

Bruh, wtf are you talking about? Where did I say wall never missed the playoffs? And you talking like you a bigger wizards fan than me?
I'm wizards over Redskins, I'm in S.E. What, but I could live on the moon and it's still wizards over everything, you better slow your young ass roll when in the presence of the elder gawd () 2 and 3 years ago the wiz were going to the 2nd Rd and would have went father barring injury. (I agree with this) Kyrie wasn't doing shyt till LeBron and love got there.(Straight blasphemy) Instead of leading off with Trump, how about you speak on the subject and save that dissertation bullshyt for another thread

....So you don't disagree with Wall not making the playoffs till he got help. You don't disagree with Irving having better accomplishments, both team, and individual. Essentially, you didn't disagree or disprove anything I said. You never said Wall never missed the playoffs, you just trying to shyt on Kyrie for the same shyt. I guess it's OK for Wall to miss the playoffs with no help, but we gonna hold Kyrie to a higher standard... Funny thing is I'm not even shytting on Wall, but Wall been in the league 7 years. 3 years ago would be his 4th year in the league. That's the first time he made the playoffs. He been twice in 7 seasons. He didn't even make the playoffs last year, in a "weak eastern conference"Kyrie first went to the playoffs in his.......wait for it.....4th season... He won a championship in his 5th season at the age of 24. Like I said before they are 2 different types of players. Kyrie is more of a combo guard, while John is a true Pg. Now as far as a bigger Wizards fan...you can have that....This ain't no competition.....

 

[Bledswole]

....So you don't disagree with Wall not making the playoffs till he got help. You don't disagree with Irving having better accomplishments, both team, and individual. Essentially, you didn't disagree or disprove anything I said. You never said Wall never missed the playoffs, you just trying to shyt on Kyrie for the same shyt. I guess it's OK for Wall to miss the playoffs with no help, but we gonna hold Kyrie to a higher standard... Funny thing is I'm not even shytting on Wall, but Wall been in the league 7 years. 3 years ago would be his 4th year in the league. That's the first time he made the playoffs. He been twice in 7 seasons. He didn't even make the playoffs last year, in a "weak eastern conference"Kyrie first went to the playoffs in his.......wait for it.....4th season... He won a championship in his 5th season at the age of 24. Like I said before they are 2 different types of players. Kyrie is more of a combo guard, while John is a true Pg. Now as far as a bigger Wizards fan...you can have that....This ain't no competition.....

Wall>>>>Kyrie