To be fairyea but we gonna act like "it was written was ehhhh" isnt roughly equal to not including DC in dope albums
Alot of nas fans agreed with this sentiment at the time...only thing saying otherwiise is revisionist history so
Havoc Remix of Common's The bytch in Yoo EDIT - You ain't made shyt dope since amerikkkas most
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Alot of nas fans agreed with this sentiment at the time...only thing saying otherwiise is revisionist history so
Before you do that - You should check the last two pages of his KRS vs Jay thread. He was shytting on that troll IR something awful. shyt had me laughing like Flex on that skit on Pun's album.I should neg you for this
Got it. I just wanted to make sure you'd fully digested the album. I couldn't possibly disagree more - but I know you're a reasonable guy. So
nah, just in the context of why jay was brought upyou comparing Death Certificate to It Was Written?
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I saw that
That's why I gave him a pass. Dude doesn't seem a like a bad poster anyway, I like his threads
Before you do that - You should check the last two pages of his KRS vs Jay thread. He was shytting on that troll IR something awful. shyt had me laughing like Flex on that skit on Pun's album.
Got it. I just wanted to make sure you'd fully digested the album. I couldn't possibly disagree more - but I know you're a reasonable guy. So
There' some songs on the album I like a lot and are classic to me. I think one of the reasons might be politically/morally I don't fully agree with some of the content on a personal level so that impacts the enjoyment of the album as a whole to me. And Cube to me sometimes has quite a simplistic direct style, which there is nothing wrong with, but I find I normally find different styles more personally appealing. I don't think it's right or wrongs just what someone's taste it. And I guess another reason might be some of the vulgarity, the way it's approached, isnt's necessarily my tastes. But I think Cube is a dope rapper, with good energy, good voice, delivery, competent lyrics etc. I think sometimes people relate to an album on a personal level also, like what they are like, I'm probably more personally inclined to a Public Enemy, KRS-One, Paris etc than a Cube. I can see why people really fukk with the album though, so it's no hate or disrespect. I think many of the older east coast heads felt similar, they respected that Cube was a technically dope rapper but didn't necessarily care for the level of vulgarity used, I think Kool Moe Dee may have said something very much along those lines. And I know Melle Mel feels similar also. Yeah it's all good man, everyone's gonna have opinions and disagree on something subjective like music, I can certainly see why people really feel and love the album. And I think likewise someone should be able to understand why someone like me wouldn't feel it as much due to the points mentioned, while still recognizing facets about the that were dope, even if they disagree strongly.
I think if you would have been of age in 1991 and fully appreciated it in the context of what was going down in society at that time - you may not have those issues. When did you first hear it?
And who can object to vulgarity when boots are getting knocked from here to Czechoslovakia??
I always click on his threads.I saw that
That's why I gave him a pass. Dude doesn't seem a like a bad poster anyway, I like his threads
That was the thing about Ruler shytting on IR too - it was way out of character for him. He's usually on some "let's respectfully discuss hip hop, and check out these 15 videos I posted" type stee. So to see him respond in the way he did had me like
.I think if you would have been of age in 1991 and fully appreciated it in the context of what was going down in society at that time - you may not have those issues. When did you first hear it?
And who can object to vulgarity when boots are getting knocked from here to Czechoslovakia??
I definitely didn't hear it in 1991 as I would have been like 3 lol. I understand some of the context though from research, in regards to the Rodney King beating, and some of the shootings in the stores etc. But I always try to operate on universal eternal truths and righteousness, so some of the insults racial terms used for Koreans for instance I didn't like, nor like all white women etc. I'm fully aware of racism, very deeply , and have experienced a huge amount of racism myself, so I realize Ice Cube isn't the root of all evil and it was a response to a climatic situation and environment, but it's not an approach I like or agree with, it goes too far to me and takes aim at some people who don't deserve it. It's like if a black person does something terrible, and a white person was like "these fukking ******s", it would be offensive to the whole race not just the ones mentioned due to the terms used etc. I'm not a fan of Khalid Muhammad, who seemed to have a profound influence on Cube and that particular album at the time, I'm more in line with a Maclolm X who was equally, arguably more militant, but his approach was different, or a Martin Luther King Jr who was again a revolutionary in essence but a hugely different philosophy and approach. Or a James Farmer, dikk Gregory, and countless other names. Even Farrakhan to me more than Khalid Muhammad, and I think the extremist vibe was one of the reasons there was the split between the nation and Khalid in the end. I loved KRS's approach, it was very pro black, but it was also pro human, a pro black yet humanistic approach. I understand it's like a victim of bullying retaliating against a bully, but if you end up bullying other underserving people in the process sometimes you give some of the moral high ground away somewhat.
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i always thought amerikkkas most was cube's best album, but i wouldn't care if someone said death certificate was superior. people unfairly hate on cube cause he actually didn't have a wack album until after westside connection. he had way more memorable run than the coli's poster boys.
Malcolm was vehemently opposed to businesses in the black community being owned and operated by outsiders. I think he would have understood Black Korea and its message of economic empowerment. Was that message delivered in the most diplomatic terms? Of course not. But that's what I loved about hip-hop from that era - cats had something to say - and they just said what they wanted to say. But I understand where you're coming from...
That's what I mean, that's why I don't hate Cube cause I understand where he's coming from and the climate. But however I feel if you are against those kind of terms for black people it should be for everyone really. Asians get a lot of discrimination too. I don't think generalisations and stereotypes do the issue much good, on any side, or unnecessary raising of tensions like that. Cube kind of said some shyt about Mexicans I think or something during the Cypress Hill beef, it could have ended very bad for Cube so that's one of the reasons they squashed it cause could have been a dumb race war over nothing when it was just a beef between Cube and Cypress. I prefer a mature enlightened approach rather than an emotional one, or the right mixture of both. Malcolm definitely and certainly believed in economic power and black business, and he always did and always would, but after the Pillgramage to Mecca he did say he's not a racist and therefore doesn't subscribe to any of the tenants of racism. And believed in equality for all human beings, he was still extremely militant while having that advanced approach. Still talking about gun clubs, bringing the U.S before the U.N and all that. KRS was going hard at the racists while still being very mature and enlightened, he was really going hard at them lol, and that's' what I like. I think Malcolm would have understand Black Korea too, but I personally don't think he would have agreed with the terms used, and he certainly would have disagreed vehemently with some of the stuff about women on the album, giving up the nappy dugout? Lol. Yeah no doubt, I get what you mean, I love Hip Hop that has something to say too. But it personally can't go against my core for me to enjoy it fully, like when Eminem talks about raping women, that's something I absolutely find abhorrent, so I can't fukk with it at all. Yeah man, same.
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well duh, it's a dubious claim but what is Common supposed to say during a diss record? Is he supposed to say he got classics on classics? nah you're supposed to use whatever slander you can on your opponent. Whether you agree or not in hindsight, that's how it should be. Same with Jay's "one hot album ever 10 years" line.
Im hoping Cube kills him off tragically in Barbeshop 3 for that bullshyt
But instead it looks like the humble vet Cube might be making him Nickis love interest,blessing Common like he once blessed a young Pac,allowing him to be the love interest to Janet Jackson in her prime,Janet hasn't looked better since
to Cube,so gracious,never disrespectful to his wife,an icon,a leader,a true muslim brother
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And Cubes first verse on Westside Slaughterhouse>>>bytch in Yoo.
But instead it looks like the humble vet Cube might be making him Nickis love interest,blessing Common like he once blessed a young Pac,allowing him to be the love interest to Janet Jackson in her prime,Janet hasn't looked better since
to Cube,so gracious,never disrespectful to his wife,an icon,a leader,a true muslim brother.And Cubes first verse on Westside Slaughterhouse>>>bytch in Yoo.
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