Havoc & Talib Kweli on drumless beats

[ChatGPT-5]

would you call a beat with only 808s drumless since the 808 is just a synth?

anyways. Lil B did a whole ambient album, I think it was called Raining In England

also this

 

[Metal Face]

Majority of that drumless shyt is garbage

 

[Hannibal Fox]

I have no issue with drumless beats and enjoy multiple albums/artists that use them. My issue with the "movement" is how stagnant it is, creatively and technically. I heard Guru say awhile ago that the game is full of producers who heard a Dilla tape and started imitating it, not realizing that the tapes Dilla made months later showed clear progression. These guys never grow. They often work with rappers who show zero growth or creativity. And the result is...well, a lot of shyt Nicholas Craven does.

For every Mach Hommy or Navy Blue there are 10 dudes rapping over this shyt with the lamest, most basic bars and it creates very vapid music when you pair that with a drumless loop.

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Very narrow minded view.

I proudly consider myself as a Hip Hop conservative. (not related to politics)

It is a certain type of thing, distinct from other things. And I wish to preserve that thing.

 

[Tribal Outkast]

Dropping this here for the fukk of it

 

[Playaz Eyez]

I mess with this take on it.

Funny thing about this is we spent probably 9-10 years with a mainstream trap sound and watered down derivatives of it, yet 4 years of a cult/niche drumless styles has dudes whining every damn day

 

[King Kai]

One of the greatest music videos I ever seen

 

[Tribal Outkast]

This is a better post than what I was trying to say.

For example:



This is just lazy and thrown together and sounds awful


Meanwhile:


No drums whatsoever but the vocals are looped hypnotically enough to carry it and put emphasis on Boldy's subdued delivery

Ahhhhh ahhh ahhh!!

 

[the cac mamba]

these are

 

[Harry B]

Unless it's some special shyt and special rhyming like Outkast E.T.

It works well on intros or interludes like

 

[Playaz Eyez]

these are

Brooklyn Chop House is incredible

 

[BUSINESS AS USUAL]

Exactly why conway never grows or gets the love he expects..too many boring ass drumless loops and not enough bangers..them shyts have 0 replay value,cant drive around knocking them shyts

 

[Majestyx]

would you call a beat with only 808s drumless since the 808 is just a synth?

anyways. Lil B did a whole ambient album, I think it was called Raining In England

also this

Rain in England.

Clams laced brandon and brought the best out of him

 

[Nabs]

That was a good conversation

As much as folks hate the man, Kweli's podcast is one of the best.

 

[LevelUp]

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