FreddyCalhoun
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It could work, except for one thing....NCAA is too big, as soon as they started to lose players to that division, they would start paying more money to players.
HBCUs Can EASYLY takeover College football
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The way it's set up now I don't think they can. The lower D1 schools couldn't compete with bama USC money wise. Unless they start a another division with top schools who can pay
NCAA will really have to blow everything up and start over.
HBCU can really change the game right now cuz they have NOTHING to lose
Jordan don't outfit no nikkas.
MJ's brother went to A&T. A&T was one of the first schools to endorsed the newly formed "Jordan Brand" back in the late 90's...
USSInsiders
Banned
Dude can't spell "easily", doesn't know the difference between "then" and "than", and has fukked up arithmetic skills. Why is he even talking about college?
Etherous hilarity
This is sad. The attitudes in this thread are why Black folks can't make moves on a grand scale.
Of course it can be done. There's been a Black Wall Street, Black owned TV stations, Negro Baseball League, Black team owners (partial). There's more than enough money. It just needs to be organized.
1st, college athletes are not paid now, at least not over the table. So don't pay them. Create other incentives.
I know there aren't many Black college football coaches, but the ones that exist finish their contracts and head to HBCUs.
Oprah has a channel & money. There are other wealthy Black business people, entertainers, former & current athletes. Those folks provide the money to schools for stadium improvements, coaching salaries, etc, maybe in exchange for small percentages of ownership of the universities. Oprah broadcast games on Thursday & Friday nights.
Not many, but there are already athletes from HBCUs making the NFL, so talent is already attending these schools. With the influx of coaches, money & exposure, more are sure to attend. There would of course need to be some sacrifice by players & coaches the 1st however many years, but that's no different than any other business.
Add other incentives. In addition to traditional majors, provide more entrepreneurial education. Provide students with what's needed to make money, not just get jobs. Have Oprah, Magic & others teach these skills. Maybe as the value of the school grows, allow top graduates to obtain small percentages of ownership in the schools. Maybe the school could provide small business loans and/or grants.
Not the most detailed or thoughtout explanation, but of course it could be done. But there are too many folks with attitudes presented in this thread. THAT's why it won't happen. They way some of y'all think, we'd still be slaves.
Of course it can be done. There's been a Black Wall Street, Black owned TV stations, Negro Baseball League, Black team owners (partial). There's more than enough money. It just needs to be organized.
1st, college athletes are not paid now, at least not over the table. So don't pay them. Create other incentives.
I know there aren't many Black college football coaches, but the ones that exist finish their contracts and head to HBCUs.
Oprah has a channel & money. There are other wealthy Black business people, entertainers, former & current athletes. Those folks provide the money to schools for stadium improvements, coaching salaries, etc, maybe in exchange for small percentages of ownership of the universities. Oprah broadcast games on Thursday & Friday nights.
Not many, but there are already athletes from HBCUs making the NFL, so talent is already attending these schools. With the influx of coaches, money & exposure, more are sure to attend. There would of course need to be some sacrifice by players & coaches the 1st however many years, but that's no different than any other business.
Add other incentives. In addition to traditional majors, provide more entrepreneurial education. Provide students with what's needed to make money, not just get jobs. Have Oprah, Magic & others teach these skills. Maybe as the value of the school grows, allow top graduates to obtain small percentages of ownership in the schools. Maybe the school could provide small business loans and/or grants.
Not the most detailed or thoughtout explanation, but of course it could be done. But there are too many folks with attitudes presented in this thread. THAT's why it won't happen. They way some of y'all think, we'd still be slaves.
Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
But again the question is about the initial money. Right now, unfortunately, HBCU's can't compete in terms of stadiums and training equipment, etc. So how do they lure these first few blue chip recruits?
It would take a socially concious effort by a 17 year old and that's asking a lot from a kid. To sacrifice all the glamours and glits of that for the unspectacular and uncertain this in order to benefit future generations? That sound like us?
And you would need top talent to generate enough money to actually start paying. The bottom line is they can't pay players from day 1 so how will day 1 be funded?
People don't give back to HBCU's because everyone who attends one, at one point or another, will feel shafted by the university. That's another problem and it's an "us" thing too. Act like a real university and you'll get real contributions. Treat your customers like shyt for perhaps a small gain now and you sacrifice potential donors of the future.
Truth he told, HBCU's need to get their administration together before they start thinking about taking on the NCAA.
But a group of schools from the power conferences could secede in just the manner you're suggesting. HBCU's just don't have the money. The big schools probably pay more under the table than an HBCU could cut a check for right now.
it's dumb hard getting up to FBS, I live not too far from Georgia Southern which has the most titles of any of the 1AA teams and they are just now finally going to 1ABut again the question is about the initial money. Right now, unfortunately, HBCU's can't compete in terms of stadiums and training equipment, etc. So how do they lure these first few blue chip recruits?
It would take a socially concious effort by a 17 year old and that's asking a lot from a kid. To sacrifice all the glamours and glits of that for the unspectacular and uncertain this in order to benefit future generations? That sound like us?
And you would need top talent to generate enough money to actually start paying. The bottom line is they can't pay players from day 1 so how will day 1 be funded?
People don't give back to HBCU's because everyone who attends one, at one point or another, will feel shafted by the university. That's another problem and it's an "us" thing too. Act like a real university and you'll get real contributions. Treat your customers like shyt for perhaps a small gain now and you sacrifice potential donors of the future.
Truth he told, HBCU's need to get their administration together before they start thinking about taking on the NCAA.
But a group of schools from the power conferences could secede in just the manner you're suggesting. HBCU's just don't have the money. The big schools probably pay more under the table than an HBCU could cut a check for right now.
But again the question is about the initial money. Right now, unfortunately, HBCU's can't compete in terms of stadiums and training equipment, etc. So how do they lure these first few blue chip recruits?
It would take a socially concious effort by a 17 year old and that's asking a lot from a kid. To sacrifice all the glamours and glits of that for the unspectacular and uncertain this in order to benefit future generations? That sound like us?
And you would need top talent to generate enough money to actually start paying. The bottom line is they can't pay players from day 1 so how will day 1 be funded?
People don't give back to HBCU's because everyone who attends one, at one point or another, will feel shafted by the university. That's another problem and it's an "us" thing too. Act like a real university and you'll get real contributions. Treat your customers like shyt for perhaps a small gain now and you sacrifice potential donors of the future.
Truth he told, HBCU's need to get their administration together before they start thinking about taking on the NCAA.
But a group of schools from the power conferences could secede in just the manner you're suggesting. HBCU's just don't have the money. The big schools probably pay more under the table than an HBCU could cut a check for right now.
So your saying you don't think player will refused to be paid so they can work for free?
How do they get the money? Like all school they raise the prices
It's around 1 million. School will bring in more then that the 1st year off of ticket sales and jerseys off the 1st year alone.
Look at baylor. Baylor been trash and didnt have money to improve. Then what happened? They stumbled on RG3. Tickets sells and jerseys blew up. because of him they are building a new stadium. Admissions applications are now on the rise and school fees have now been raised. Supply and demand
Will be the same for HBCUs
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Jesus Shuttlesworth
I Got Game
Ok, Baylor had RG3. And the exposure of the Big 12 conference.
And you missed my point about kids getting paid at the big schools anyway. We all know every school pays players anyway. So the HBCU's would have to compete in that area as well.
The first year they wouldn't have any money to pay so how will they lure an RG3 type? You can't raise prices until you raise the quality of the product. That means the players must come first. But there's no money yet. So are these kids going to be willing to risk the exposure and other benefits in hopes this HBCU league succeeds? Knowing if it didn't they'd never be allowed to play NCAA football, potentially costin them a chance to go pro?
Again, the #1 question is where does the initial money come from. You can't say ticket sales because no one will pay more for an inferior product. You first need the talent and you need money to get that talent. So where is that money to get the talent to raise the ticket prices coming from?
Oprah and Magic aren't the answer to all problems black.
This is where we disagree. HBCU students have a much better chance at finding employment and quality employment than Blacks at PWI. The difference is the debt out of school is astronomical for Blacks at HBCU's.
feelosofer
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Back in my day (late 80's, early 90's) HBCU football teams were all the rage, the problem is a lot of these historic institutions are having trouble keeping their doors open. The 1st thing they need to do is to revamp their programs to modern times equipment and training wise. Getting coaches is actually fairly easy there are a lot of out of work Black coaches from the NFL and college ranks as well as active assistants who would jump at the chance of rebuilding a program. But all in all this process wpuld take 10 years to really materialize.
Well, I wouldn't do it that way. How many starters would mysteriously get the Tonya Harding treatment just so a backup can get a starting position? I think it would happen. Not always, but I wouldn't dismiss the possibility.
What's the Tonya Harding treatment? Tonya Harding hired an ex-boyfriend to injure another figure skater so that she could get onto the US figure skating team to compete in the Olympics.
Carlos Huerta
Just keep my rep red
Thread reminds me of this
I think one problem is a degradation in maintaining the "education first, sports second" philosophy. Example, you have a school where their top 5 players are flunking, but they are winning games, and more importantly, making the school money. That school isn't about to pull the old academic suspension policy on those players. That would be suicide. They are going to flub the grades and get their butts on the field.
I mean, if you really don't care about their education and more about athletics, you might as well create a sports conference made up of teams who provide online degrees, like University of Phoenix. Let them "sign-up" for classes online, but their main focus will be training and playing games. Who cares about grades, it's all electronic. All student athletes get an A. You put all the money into athlete dorms, a training facility and a field. Then, if you have a student-athlete who actually gives a crap about education, you have an on-site tutor. On top of that, you would have special visiting professors, like Lance Armstrong and Alex Rodriguez, to give pointers on doping and taking masking agents. Because in the super sports conference, you don't have drug testing, but you might just to make it look legit.
I mean, if you really don't care about their education and more about athletics, you might as well create a sports conference made up of teams who provide online degrees, like University of Phoenix. Let them "sign-up" for classes online, but their main focus will be training and playing games. Who cares about grades, it's all electronic. All student athletes get an A. You put all the money into athlete dorms, a training facility and a field. Then, if you have a student-athlete who actually gives a crap about education, you have an on-site tutor. On top of that, you would have special visiting professors, like Lance Armstrong and Alex Rodriguez, to give pointers on doping and taking masking agents. Because in the super sports conference, you don't have drug testing, but you might just to make it look legit.