Heightism is way worse than colorism

[Rick Fox at UNC]

Depends on how you carry it. A lot of your look and success depends on internal confidence and how you carry yourself.

That's how I know you're lame man. You think it's one thing, one issue.

Nope, it's you.

 

[Concerning VIolence]

Like I said, generally speaking, they are both based on skin complexion, so are black peoples complaints not valid on their complaints of their treatment in America?

It's strange that those complaining about colorism don't really mention job discrimination.

And once again, colorism in minority communities is very relevant because of people like you pretending it doesn't exist by diminishing others' experiences.

So colorism is prevalent and damaging to the black community because of my opinion? That doesn't make sense.

Instead of explaining in detail what colorism is actually damaging, people like you just resort to "I'm not gonna bother explaining anything because colorism is real and I said so", which doesn't help move anything at all. You just get stuck in "colorism is a huge problem for black people no matter what" mode and don't provide evidence.

 

[Katey]

It's strange that those complaining about colorism don't really mention job discrimination.






So colorism is prevalent and damaging to the black community because of my opinion? That doesn't make sense.

Instead of explaining in detail what colorism is actually damaging, people like you just resort to "I'm not gonna bother explaining anything because colorism is real and I said so", which doesn't help move anything at all. You just get stuck in "colorism is a huge problem for black people no matter what" mode and don't provide evidence.

As I said, same with heightism. This is the first thread that I have seen mention job discrimination and not women being ignorant on social media or in the dating world.

And I could see how it doesn't make sense because that's not what I said. I'm simply providing other examples because you're pretending that it doesn't exist. I've given the definition of colorism, how it affects women and men, and I definitely proved it by providing evidence in the thread, so you can see all the detail I posted in this thread for yourself. And now it seems like you're arguing for the sake of arguing because you can't negate any of the points I made so far. If anything, you're projecting because you are getting stuck in "heightism is a huge problem for men" when most of the male posters disagreed. Either you're being deliberately obtuse or you want to play oppression olympics.

 

[Katey]

It's strange that those complaining about colorism don't really mention job discrimination.

And somehow, you still avoided my question...

 

[Concerning VIolence]

you're projecting because you are getting stuck in "heightism is a huge problem for men"

I never said anything about heightism in this thread.


Please quote the evidence about colorism you posted.

 

[Katey]

I never said anything about heightism in this thread.


Please quote the evidence about colorism you posted.

Heightism is real and backed by statistical evidence.

Height discrimination - Wikipedia

And the lie detector determined...that was a lie. Bottom of page 8 go see for yourself.

Same with colorism.
"...Hidden within the process of racial discrimination is the often overlooked issue of colorism. Colorism is the process of discrimination that privileges light-skinned people of color over their dark-skinned counterparts (Hunter 2005). Lighter-skinned people of color enjoy substantial privileges that are still unattainable to their darker-skinned brothers and sisters. In fact, light-skinned people earn more money, complete more years of schooling, live in better neighborhoods, and marry higher-status people than darker-skinned people of the same race or ethnicity (Arce et al. 1987; Espino and Franz 2002; Hill 2000; Hughes and Hertel 1990; Hunter 1998, 2005; Keith and Herring 1991; Murguia and Telles 1996; Rondilla and Spickard 2007).

There ya go.

 

[Katey]

And you still avoided my question

 

[Concerning VIolence]

And the lie detector determined...that was a lie. Bottom of page 8 go see for yourself.


There ya go.

I stand corrected. But I never defended this thread, I was just pointing out plain information.

In fact, light-skinned people earn more money, complete more years of schooling, live in better neighborhoods, and marry higher-status people than darker-skinned people of the same race or ethnicity (Arce et al. 1987; Espino and Franz 2002; Hill 2000; Hughes and Hertel 1990; Hunter 1998, 2005; Keith and Herring 1991; Murguia and Telles 1996; Rondilla and Spickard 2007).

I struggle to find this part believable.

You can trace research by height fairly easily because every living person is documented with their height. Same with race.

But with skin tone, how is this even remotely verified?

And you still avoided my question

It's a dumb question, that's why I didn't bother.

Yes they are valid of their complaints.

Their complaints of other black people has yet to be anything other than "you can't say black people don't hate dark skin people, so therefore black people are colorist"


Keep in mind, my argument is against about this perception that BLACK people are practicing colorism on other BLACK people.


If you can't get that, I'm done repeating myself

 

[Katey]

I stand corrected. But I never defended this thread, I was just pointing out plain information.

Sure. It's obvious where you stand in regards to heightism being more important than colorism. Nobody provides facts just to "point out plain information".

I struggle to find this part believable.

You can trace research by height fairly easily because every living person is documented with their height. Same with race.

But with skin tone, how is this even remotely verified?

People aren't colorblind. You can easily tell who is on the lighter end of the spectrum and who is on the darker end of the spectrum. And for those who can't, the paper bag test is still used as a measuring tool.

It's a dumb question, that's why I didn't bother.

Yes they are valid of their complaints.

Thank you for finally answering my question, but it's the furthest thing from a dumb question. I asked it in order to confirm the hypocrisy I expected from you. If victims are racism are valid in their complaints of people complaining about their race, then so are victims of colorism. After all, its all based on the color of one's skin anyway. Simple.

Their complaints of other black people has yet to be anything other than "you can't say black people don't hate dark skin people, so therefore black people are colorist"

No, they're actually calling out other black people for having these hypocritical views in their experience and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The next part doesn't make any sense, but I'll try to make sense of it. If anything, colorism deniers like you are the ones saying "black people don't discriminate on those with darker skin tones" or "colorism doesn't exist" when it's obviously true that it does because like I said, men and women, have experienced this, proven with evidence by the posters on this sight, real life experience, and studies conducted within society.

Keep in mind, my argument is against about this perception that BLACK people are practicing colorism on other BLACK people.


If you can't get that, I'm done repeating myself

Oh you don't have to repeat yourself. I definitely get your stance and I'm arguing with with you because I think it's stupid. People can deny heightism, too, and one can say that women don't discriminate based on height and it doesn't exist, but I'm not going to go there because I'm not a hypocrite. And every week we hear a black male celebrity saying some of the wall stuff about dark skin, so spare me. If you don't understand what I am saying, then once again, you're being flat out obtuse or want the struggles of men in society to be empathized with at the expense of what is deemed to be "women's".

 

[Concerning VIolence]

colorism deniers like you are the ones saying "black people don't discriminate on those with darker skin tones" or "colorism doesn't exist" when it's obviously true that it does because like I said, men and women, have experienced this, proven with evidence by the posters on this sight, real life experience, and studies conducted within society.

I don't deny black people don't tease each other over skin colors, or name-call, or even happen to like one skin tone more than the other, which are the baselines for what black feminists like to call colorism. That's common sense when living in a place such as America. Black Americans are a colonized people living under a colonized mindset, so the effects of white supremacy are always going to affect our mentalities and sense of selfhood.

I deny that it's a significant issue over what we as a people should be fighting over as a whole.

But I'll concede to that and ask what type of black person is engaging in this colorism?

And how exactly should they be stopped since it's so important?

 

[Katey]

I don't deny black people don't tease each other over skin colors, or name-call, or even happen to like one skin tone more than the other, which are the baselines for what black feminists like to call colorism. That's common sense when living in a place such as America. Black Americans are a colonized people living under a colonized mindset, so the effects of white supremacy are always going to affect our mentalities and sense of selfhood.

I deny that it's a significant issue over what we as a people should be fighting over as a whole.

But I'll concede to that and ask what type of black person is engaging in this colorism?

And how exactly should they be stopped since it's so important?

Ah so it does exist now? Because that's not what you were saying earlier Mr. "my argument is against about this perception that BLACK people are practicing colorism on other BLACK people". So what are you arguing?
And that's exactly what the textbook definition of colorism is, its not just in the feminism world. And you basically confirmed that I was right in my assumptions that this had something to do with women, i.e. feminist, and you don't want to acknowledge that is a problem because you think it affects them only, but it affects dark skinned people of both genders and light skinned people are the butt of the jokes sometimes, too.
All types of people prepetuate colorism. From little kids to full grown adults who should know better. It's in families, the workplace and job market, and dare I say it, the dating world, just like heightism. And it's really simple actually: treat it like it's racism. People check other people for their ignorance all of the time, so what's the big deal if it's for colorism, which is ignorant just like racism is? Discrimination is discrimination whether it's coming from a person of a different race or it isn't.
And if colorism isn't a significant issue, is heightism a significant issue? What makes heightism "so important"?

 

[Bea__13]

Im a short dude but I wouldnt want to be with a woman who was taller than me.

Most of the girls I have been with are eye lvl with me or shorter , I'm 5'6