HHH Spit the ETHER tonight

[ML29]

Nah, Lesnar had a better rookie year. He debuted, Won king of the ring, won his first WWE title, went over Hogan/Rock/Undertaker, and headlined his first Wrestlemania in under one year.

its arguable to me Kurt had two titles at once, became WWF Champion, Main Evented Summerslam, scored victories Over Rock, Undertaker, HHH, was apart the love triangle with Hunter and Steph, had a truckload of entertaining backstage segments with numerous people, He won King Of The Ring, Won the six man Hell In The Cell match. Kurt had a spectacular year I couldn't remember any rookie coming on that strong at the time. The push also felt so natural and unforced because he was the legit total package. Lesnar's year was great but Kurt was better to me. they hurt brock by turning him face so early tho.

 

[The G.O.D II]

Austin walked out in June and Rock was part time. Look at how business went after HHH got handed the title. Enron.

You know what, you right breh. I'm sorry. HHH is the worst. He was only over for a year. He is Larry Zbysko of wrestling. He caused the business to go down despite evidence it was in a downturn as early as 2001. But no, all HHH fault

 

[CM_Burns]

A couple pieces of misinformation k always see thrown around are in this thread:

Wwf had their best financial year in 2000 with Rock, better than umder Austin, better buyrates/ratings.

The problem with this is, anyone around then knows wrestling was not as hot then as it was during Austins peak. WWF was, but thats because they ckmpletely owned the maeket by 2000, Wcw had ceased being a real consideration to turn to by the. Look at total monday wrestli g viewers in mid 98 to mid 99, you have millions of people who stopped watching a monday wrestling show by the summer of 2000.

So I think its reasonable to say Austin was bigger than Rock, doing 5's agai st Goldberg, the wolfpac, hogan, sting, ddp, when they were hot is more impressive than doing 6's going against Sid, Jeff Jarrett, Steiner, and another Nwo iteration. Wrestling as a whole was not as big with Rock on top in 2000.


The other piece of misinformation is HHHs reign of terror as killing the business. It wasnt a good time for business, but some of those programs DID draw. Hhh vs anash Did do a do good buyrate, so did the Goldberg Ppvs. Hhh vs Batista did great numbers.

 

[Francis White]

Punk should have been in a stable with these 2, Punk taking Divas and crushing dreams, HHH knowing whats best best for business, while HBGOAT just wrestles 5 star matches and closes every main event.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

A couple pieces of misinformation k always see thrown around are in this thread:

Wwf had their best financial year in 2000 with Rock, better than umder Austin, better buyrates/ratings.

The problem with this is, anyone around then knows wrestling was not as hot then as it was during Austins peak. WWF was, but thats because they ckmpletely owned the maeket by 2000, Wcw had ceased being a real consideration to turn to by the. Look at total monday wrestli g viewers in mid 98 to mid 99, you have millions of people who stopped watching a monday wrestling show by the summer of 2000.

So I think its reasonable to say Austin was bigger than Rock, doing 5's agai st Goldberg, the wolfpac, hogan, sting, ddp, when they were hot is more impressive than doing 6's going against Sid, Jeff Jarrett, Steiner, and another Nwo iteration. Wrestling as a whole was not as big with Rock on top in 2000.

Give me a hell yeah

 

[VegetasHairline]

I'm just gonna leave this right here where it belongs:

 

[StatUS]

A couple pieces of misinformation k always see thrown around are in this thread:

Wwf had their best financial year in 2000 with Rock, better than umder Austin, better buyrates/ratings.

The problem with this is, anyone around then knows wrestling was not as hot then as it was during Austins peak. WWF was, but thats because they ckmpletely owned the maeket by 2000, Wcw had ceased being a real consideration to turn to by the. Look at total monday wrestli g viewers in mid 98 to mid 99, you have millions of people who stopped watching a monday wrestling show by the summer of 2000.

So I think its reasonable to say Austin was bigger than Rock, doing 5's agai st Goldberg, the wolfpac, hogan, sting, ddp, when they were hot is more impressive than doing 6's going against Sid, Jeff Jarrett, Steiner, and another Nwo iteration. Wrestling as a whole was not as big with Rock on top in 2000.


The other piece of misinformation is HHHs reign of terror as killing the business. It wasnt a good time for business, but some of those programs DID draw. Hhh vs anash Did do a do good buyrate, so did the Goldberg Ppvs. Hhh vs Batista did great numbers.

Never thought about it like that

 

[R=G]

A couple pieces of misinformation k always see thrown around are in this thread:

Wwf had their best financial year in 2000 with Rock, better than umder Austin, better buyrates/ratings.

The problem with this is, anyone around then knows wrestling was not as hot then as it was during Austins peak. WWF was, but thats because they ckmpletely owned the maeket by 2000, Wcw had ceased being a real consideration to turn to by the. Look at total monday wrestli g viewers in mid 98 to mid 99, you have millions of people who stopped watching a monday wrestling show by the summer of 2000.

So I think its reasonable to say Austin was bigger than Rock, doing 5's agai st Goldberg, the wolfpac, hogan, sting, ddp, when they were hot is more impressive than doing 6's going against Sid, Jeff Jarrett, Steiner, and another Nwo iteration. Wrestling as a whole was not as big with Rock on top in 2000.


The other piece of misinformation is HHHs reign of terror as killing the business. It wasnt a good time for business, but some of those programs DID draw. Hhh vs anash Did do a do good buyrate, so did the Goldberg Ppvs. Hhh vs Batista did great numbers.

Rock got better ratings in 1999 than Austin too. The biggest PPV of the year was WM and that was Rock vs Austin with the crowd popping pretty damn hard for Rock in Philly like he was a 1B top face instead of top heel.

Wrestling was MUCH bigger in 2000 than in 1998...Austin was nowhere near as big and mainstream as the Rock in 2000. Tyson got more news in Jan 98 and Austin made the media tours after WM 14 but the Rock was hosting TRL, getting his name chanted over Chris Tucker at the Essence Awards, going on ESPN and the crowd was cheering for him, went to SNL and the crowd treating him like a rock star..was in NY with Bill Gates releasing the X Box..kicked off the XFL to huge success at the time...guy was untouchable. WCW had like two wannabe Rock characters in 2000 and crowds were chanting ROCKY at their events headlined by Hogan, Sting, and Goldberg so there is no goofy bullshyt where he was against lame competition. They weren't up to stuff. Neither was ECW.

Those Nash PPVs had Austin on them and Goldberg was always bigger than Cripple H. The Batista PPV was WM 21 and that was a combo of talent and names on that s how...Hogan/Austin/Eddie vs Rey/people REALLY believing Taker might lose to Blandy to give him yet another chance.

 

[R=G]

Yes, to me, 2000 was about the rise of Kurt Angle, and I would argue that Angle was getting over no matter what, also the McMahon/Helmsley storyline was big in the early part of the that year but pretty much done by the summer, IIRC, to me, the bigger storyline from that year was the 'Who ran over Austin' storyline.

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LOL..Angle had a good year but he wasn't that impressive. The year DEFINITELY wasn't about Angle. He got a nice upper mid card push but he was CLEARLY positioned behind Rock, Austin, Cripple H, and Taker even after they gave him the belt. Austin came out and just whooped his ass to kick off one of those Raws in Nov 2000. LOL. It was hilarious.

 

[Ruby'sRevolver]

LOL..Angle had a good year but he wasn't that impressive. The year DEFINITELY wasn't about Angle. He got a nice upper mid card push but he was CLEARLY positioned behind Rock, Austin, Cripple H, and Taker even after they gave him the belt. Austin came out and just whooped his ass to kick off one of those Raws in Nov 2000. LOL. It was hilarious.

When Angle jobbed to Taz at the Rumble if you had told me he would beat The Rock for the title in October I would've laughed my ass off, but that's what happened, his rise that year was epic and it came out of nowhere. Yes, to say the year was about him was on my part but you can't deny that he was great that year and he proved he belonged. You can't really say 2000 was about any one guy, it was a bunch of guys that made that year so great.

Yeah, I remember when Austin beat his ass and I remember Taker squashing him at Fully Loaded too.

 

[R=G]

He got put over. Looked like he belong? It depends. Everyone did alot of favors for him. The booking made him but he was getting good in a more a legitimate sense when he was turning face in the summer of 2001.

And in 2000, you can say it's about one an more than any other. They had the Rock involved in everyone's storylines to make sure it got over and that everyone was watching. He was the first to beat Angle. The Taker return was during his match. Both Austin returns were connected to him and they even teased he turned heel to take out Austin which no crowd went for. Michaels came back out of the BLUE to do a promo where he pointed the finger at Rock in running over Austin and the entire crowd no sold that and chanted ROCKY like Michaels wasn't even in the ring. Cripple H's feuds with Benoit/Jericho/Austin/Angle all had Rock inclusions to keep eyes on it. He carried the brand all year and they had Austin even giving him props to make sure he didn't elicit no boos during the whole thing. It was funny.

 

[puppetmaster]

its arguable to me Kurt had two titles at once, became WWF Champion, Main Evented Summerslam, scored victories Over Rock, Undertaker, HHH, was apart the love triangle with Hunter and Steph, had a truckload of entertaining backstage segments with numerous people, He won King Of The Ring, Won the six man Hell In The Cell match. Kurt had a spectacular year I couldn't remember any rookie coming on that strong at the time. The push also felt so natural and unforced because he was the legit total package. Lesnar's year was great but Kurt was better to me. they hurt brock by turning him face so early tho.

There's a strong argument for both, I wouldn't argue with anyone who felt either one had the better start. .. the company clearly trusted and had big plans for Brock, you don't beat the Rock as clean as it gets in the middle of the ring(yeah he was leaving but still) then defeat a bloodied and battered Undertaker clean in Hell in a Cell 2 months later as a rookie. I'm with you, I felt like Brock's face turn was a tad too quick


Angle had that out of the gate knack for the business and especially the charisma part, you can't teach a guy how to play a dopey villian who is somehow dangerous like that, it's either in them or it isn't.

I do find it funny that Hunter somehow found a way to avoid Hurricane Lesnar on TV during that 02-04 period, being that Brock wrestled just about everyone who mattered except him and Shawn


-P-

 

[dh86]

There's a strong argument for both, I wouldn't argue with anyone who felt either one had the better start. .. the company clearly trusted and had big plans for Brock, you don't beat the Rock as clean as it gets in the middle of the ring(yeah he was leaving but still) then defeat a bloodied and battered Undertaker clean in Hell in a Cell 2 months later as a rookie. I'm with you, I felt like Brock's face turn was a tad too quick


Angle had that out of the gate knack for the business and especially the charisma part, you can't teach a guy how to play a dopey villian who is somehow dangerous like that, it's either in them or it isn't.

I do find it funny that Hunter somehow found a way to avoid Hurricane Lesnar on TV during that 02-04 period, being that Brock wrestled just about everyone who mattered except him and Shawn


-P-

YEP HHH was #1 contender in summer 02 then magically Brock went to smack down and HHH handed a new title. Coincidence

 

[Ricky Church]

he ain't had to say that about Edge or Y2J tho

 

[The G.O.D II]

There's a strong argument for both, I wouldn't argue with anyone who felt either one had the better start. .. the company clearly trusted and had big plans for Brock, you don't beat the Rock as clean as it gets in the middle of the ring(yeah he was leaving but still) then defeat a bloodied and battered Undertaker clean in Hell in a Cell 2 months later as a rookie. I'm with you, I felt like Brock's face turn was a tad too quick


Angle had that out of the gate knack for the business and especially the charisma part, you can't teach a guy how to play a dopey villian who is somehow dangerous like that, it's either in them or it isn't.

I do find it funny that Hunter somehow found a way to avoid Hurricane Lesnar on TV during that 02-04 period, being that Brock wrestled just about everyone who mattered except him and Shawn


-P-

Trust me. If Paul wanted to go over Brock then, he would have went fukking over. It was obvious vince wanted the split after the invasion flop and those two were the biggest stars at the time. Made no sense to have them both on the same show. Besides, I can imagine the reaction if HHH beat Brock before he really took off in 02 Best they avoided each other