Hillary on Bernie Sanders "Nobody likes him, he got nothing done"

[Dr. Acula]

I wondered why black people didn't rally behind this woman..
Not that she would've won, but to show everyone unity behind what we really feel we should be getting..

Them basement dwellers that supposedly behind the ADOS movement is fcking things up..

Black people as a whole may have some diverging interests. The reality is that not everyone feels reparations is their most passionate issue.

Reparations honestly, for me personally, is not a top priority. I don't hate folks who advocate for it but its not what I'm personally basing my vote on. So Marianne wasn't going to be my choice.

I have a very specific issue, pertaining to my life and job, that I have as my top priority. Outside of Bernie and Warren, all of the other Democrats are trash on it.

 

[rapbeats]

I wondered why black people didn't rally behind this woman..
Not that she would've won, but to show everyone unity behind what we really feel we should be getting..

Them basement dwellers that supposedly behind the ADOS movement is fcking things up..

the last part is not necessarily true. lets stop trying to find someone to be mad at. the truth is simple, we didnt hop on the williamson bandwagon because we didnt think she could win talking that reparations talk and the other things she was saying. even though nothing she said was actually false nor was it as cooky as she SEEMED. she was a lot smarter then we thought she was and knew her history.

which is why i find it strange when people try to use that against bernie when you were not riding with M.Will like that. either you ride or you're a bit more practical in your approach. you can't, not ride, and not be practical all at the same time. if thats the case you're doing nothing but popping off at the mouth.

 

[Jefferson Jackson]

 

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Black people as a whole may have some diverging interests. The reality is that not everyone feels reparations is their most passionate issue.

Reparations honestly, for me personally, is not a top priority. I don't hate folks who advocate for it but its not what I'm personally basing my vote on. So Marianne wasn't going to be my choice.

i agree with that first statement. but i disagree with the 2nd.
Reparations is not a cure all, but its the closest thing to one. that is a fact of lie as a black person in america. We need it in the worse way. and yes I'm talking about cash payments, actual checks on top of any policy extras, or tax incentives, etc. we need all of it. and even then it wont stop racism. but it will give us a shot that saying you know what... F it... let me go over here and do me, since you dont like me wearing my dreads, since you dont like my black skin. let me slide to the left and create my own little business where i can survive on my own. or let me have a little side pot to supplement this BS income you're always going to pay me because I'm black. let me not get into debt borrowing for school, for everything else under the son. I'll pay for it out right and reap whatever benefits i can from that thing or things i've purchased. and yes i can purchase some new jordans and new rims too. i mean,, the way i've been treated dont i deserve a little vacay and some fun time?

So in a nutshell reparations should be all black peoples #1 issue. But since we live in a country where we are a small percentage of the population and whites are a large percent of the population. we have to be realistic about how we know they are as a group. we know them. that doesnt mean dont ask. ASK for what you deserve and what you're owed. never be afraid. But at the same time work with any other allies that can get you a better current day deal AT THE MOMENT (bernie, aoc types, etc.)

The better white people feel about their economic well being the more chance of us actually getting reparations. the wacker their conditions are the least likely they are to agree with some minority group getting reparations. thats just the facts. if you want to ask the king for something, dont expect him to give it to you when he's pissed off. but catch him slipping when he's happy, partying and has a full stomach. and then you could slide in that reparations tax.

 

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i'm starting to think the democractic establishment (hillary, warren, mainstream media outlets not named fox) may have over played their hand. They may have gone too far on the bernie hit pieces and bashing. they did better just ignoring him. maybe it was out of sight and some what out of the mind of those who only pay attention to the mainstream media. but now...they are bringing attention to this dude. its similar to what happened with trump. bad news becomes news, which = popularity. the difference is, unlike trump, bernie is about that life.

 

[Wildhundreds]

the last part is not necessarily true. lets stop trying to find someone to be mad at. the truth is simple, we didnt hop on the williamson bandwagon because we didnt think she could win talking that reparations talk and the other things she was saying. even though nothing she said was actually false nor was it as cooky as she SEEMED. she was a lot smarter then we thought she was and knew her history.

which is why i find it strange when people try to use that against bernie when you were not riding with M.Will like that. either you ride or you're a bit more practical in your approach. you can't, not ride, and not be practical all at the same time. if thats the case you're doing nothing but popping off at the mouth.

Even though Williams couldn't win, getting behind her and having that support show up in the polls, set the optics for your next move..

The candidates that have a chance of winning see that and MAY possibly change their approach towards reparations, if you bring that support to their team.

To me, its about optics.. like when cartels brutally kill someone. Dead is dead, but the extra punishment is to send a message..

People always say this is chess, not checkers.. No tangibles no vote is neither.. People are just flipping the table over before attempting to make the 1st move..

 

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Even though Williams couldn't win, getting behind her and having that support show up in the polls, set the optics for your next move..

The candidates that have a chance of winning see that and MAY possibly change their approach towards reparations, if you bring that support to their team.

To me, its about optics.. like when cartels brutally kill someone. Dead is dead, but the extra punishment is to send a message..

People always say this is chess, not checkers.. No tangibles no vote is neither.. People are just flipping the table over before attempting to make the 1st move..

correct. and a no vote can also be a protest vote due to all the data being compiled and presented on the news in todays society. a no vote in 1982 would've meant nothing. no one would've ever known you didnt vote. except for a few researchers at UC Berkeley. now the data is out in the open. so when you say NO, I dont like you so i wont vote for you even if you try to give me that "lesser of two evils bs". it can be shown that nope, 90% of blacks aint voting due to X, Y, and Z. then the next line of candidates as you've stated would get the hint. "i better straighten up or i wont get that black vote either." so all tactics can be used. but we should've rallied behind that lady and stated plainly when asked why we liked her " i dont like nor dislike M.will, however I know blacks need reparations like yesterday." simply put, straight no chaser. no room to flip that into some bad talking point.

 

[Stone Cold]

Anybody but Biden

 

[Dr. Acula]

Thank God. fukk Biden.

 

[chiefdogg]

Anybody but Biden

Crime Bill Biden or "I Marched With Martin" Bernie. I need to hear more than "Justice Reform" for the Black community in order to get my vote.

 

[Burned Verses]

Nap bout to work overtime

 

[Armchair Militant]

Wrong.

Morning Consult: The 2020 U.S. Election

A few things from that poll:

Bernie has a 76% favorable rating, easily the highest of any candidate in the race. His unfavorable (17%) is the lowest out of any of the frontrunners

Bernie was polling 2nd. But he was the #2 choice of Biden supporters AND the #2 choice of Warren supporters. If you didn't have the Biden "electability" crowd then Bernie would likely be in 1st right now.

In a hypothetical matchup against Trump, Bernie leads by 4% right now. He ties Biden for the highest % support of anyone.


So if you claim the polls say the general public doesn't want Bernie, then you're saying the general public doesn't want anyone at all, cause no one is polling better than Bernie.

The post I responded to said the general public wants a leftist president. When I look at the polling averages, more than half of the voters are choosing moderates.

National President: Democratic primary Polls

 

[rapbeats]

Crime Bill Biden or "I Marched With Martin" Bernie. I need to hear more than "Justice Reform" for the Black community in order to get my vote.

So you're not going to vote then. because these candidates do not have "BLACK" policies. they are not listed as "BLACK" policies for racist reasons for some and strategic reasons due to racism of the populous for others. So if thats what you're waiting on, keep waiting. you aint getting it for a very long time. stay at the house on vote day.

Criminal Justice reform = an unproportional amt of black people thrown in jail for long periods, or getting long terms of probation.
^^a black policy in a nutshell.

Universal Healthcare = black folks are 10 times broker than white folks. therefore, black folks are 10 times less likely to receive proper healthcare or healthcare at all. black woman die more than white women due to pregnancy complications, black women probably lose more babies due to a lack of $$$ when it comes to healthcare as well. No money = no healthcare or very poor healthcare at best. so the poorest people (black folks and obviously native americans will have the worse possible healthcare).
^^ everyone having very good insurance = a black policy as far as black broke people are concerned.

A jobs guarantee from the government: who employs the most black people? the government. which will mean, more jobs for more black people.
^^more or less black policy as far as black people are concerned.

Getting rid of ALL student loan debt. which group has been hit with the most debt when it comes to college? Black people. specifically black women who are notorious for at times getting multiple degrees or extra graduate degrees in hopes they will finally be taken seriously in the work place and paid correctly(most are not, even though they make good money, its not good money like their white counterparts most times.). So they have this crazy debt. who will this help most? Black people. so in other words this is more or less a black policy as far as black people are concerned.


These things will not help us close the wealth gap. but it will give us some of our wealth back that we lost during the last economic crash.

 

[rapbeats]

The post I responded to said the general public wants a leftist president. When I look at the polling averages, more than half of the voters are choosing moderates.

National President: Democratic primary Polls

thats not saying much. how many moderates are in the race vs how many leftist are in the race?

in addition, these people are getting a full on brainwashing on the daily by the mainstream media as far as them trying to steer the people on who they like and who THEY want. not who is best for the people watching MSNBC and CNN. They show bernie most times in a bad light even if its a lie they dont care. very rarely are they honest about how well he's doing. but they make sure not to put any of their centrist favorites in a bad light. now if another candidate calls them out(tulsi) so be it. the media will latch on to those headlines for a money grab. but they themselves will not do that to those centrist candidates. but they will do it to bernie.

so what the People would want without being brainwashed is also a different question.

every single time you ask The people about bernie policies, they for the most part will choose his policies over some centrists policies. that means they actually do want bernie they are just to brainwashed to know it.

 

[Wild self]

I wondered why black people didn't rally behind this woman..
Not that she would've won, but to show everyone unity behind what we really feel we should be getting..

Them basement dwellers that supposedly behind the ADOS movement is fcking things up..

They were never tried to support Williamson and the HR 40 bill. They just wanted an excuse not to vote and make other black people not to vote as well. Other words, it was an inside job from the GOP to surppress the black vote.