Hip Hop is not wack these days, its just going over your heads cuz yall old and we young.

[u mad son?]

And you still haven't proved that. All you said was Raekwon put out a new album with hot artist of this era.. No fukking shyt everyone is doing it nowadays. With the exception of Cole and Kdot a lot of artist have been collabing on each other's albums.

Raekwons newest album was proof of that

IF you have listened to any of Wus classics or OB4CL you would know that they wouldnt have ever collabed with these low level fukks back then, they are doing it now to stay RELEVANT. Collabs have always been in hip hop, but an old school legend collabing with a new wack dude is only so they can get some new fans, that is all. Rae made an album with all the hottest rappers of this time and it just so happens its the wackest album hes ever dropped ..... do you really think Nas back in the 90s or even 2000s would have collabed with a dude like Future? youre out of your mind

 

[u mad son?]

No. I was talking about the open "free market" Politics of the Industry today verses the tightly constraint and small batch of Artists From Major Labels of yesterday.


But its kinda obvious to me that u don't understand the Industry like that either. I kinda figured that after u quoted me but I ain't wanna do u like that

I couldnt give a fukk about politics or industry .... classic hip hop transcends both regardless of that

 

[Straw Hat Luffy]

Why did op say hip hop and list artists the common person no matter what age, doesn't consider hip hop?

 

[Kyle C. Barker]

The rappers y'all cherish are disposable too.

No one gave a fukk about Mobb Deep, ATCQ,EPMD after their mini runs

You have a weird understanding of the word disposable


Then again you're the same jackass that tried to make a serious case that mobb deep were one hit wonders so I shouldn't be too surprised by your posts.

 

[Cynic]

We? nikka I never listened to anything Shaq put out musically. And of all examples you choose Shaq to refute my point?

forget your anecdotal "my era was better because of what I listened to"

All a young bull needs to do is point at our era buying a million Shaq albums and it's over

The 90s had high highs and low lows.... this era is interesting because coastal bias is gone but
you have to cut through the volume of music being put out and do more work as an artist

with smaller budgets....and virtually no sample clearance

Old heads just need to let go of this genre...it ain't yours anymore and nobody will be as good
as the artists you had when you grew up ...they don't have to be ...it's a new day

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

i mean ,seriously, if u havent given up on looking for "dope" shyt, give it another year or 2 and the sound of hip hop will be so differrent you will.

how can someone who is 35 plus expect to understand what a 20 year olds definition of dope is like?

and to u "i grew up in the wrong era" kids, shut up.

listen to lil yachty, kodak black, young thug,lil uzi vert and playboi carti. u cannot tell me they arent dope as fukk

u cant


/rant.

breh the people in your era ain't even buying/listening to the shyt you named


while the ones we consider the dopest of your era.. are the ones selling and doing stadium tours


so it seems you don't even know what's dope in your era

 

[Insensitive]

Now how many of them have made classic albums?

Scarface, MAYBE killah priest .... Blu, ill give him below the heavens. The rest of em, yeah they may spit lyrical, but classic albums? hell nah man

classics im talking:
INFAMOUS
OB4CL
LIQUID SWORDZ
CHRONIC/2001
ILLMATIC
ETC

come on, lyrical yeah, but you need more than that to create classic

Your criteria was "ground breaking lyrics" and "original production".

If I'm judging them off of lyrics many on my list would hold their own against 90's heroes and if I'm going off of production against it's the same story.

And dudes like Black Milk and Oddisee know producing front to back. Samples or not.

I respect the whole "Classic" album thing but you'd have a hard time selling me on the idea that few artists have made enduring works since the 90's or even
since last decade.

It's one of my nagging issues with 90's fetishism, there's great stuff from the 90's but at the same time there's great stuff coming out NOW or at least that's how I see it.

And I'd also argue that albums like "A are dream deferred" or "Music For My Friends" among others from these artists would be regarded as "Classic" if they had the right promotion.

To Pimp A Butterfly imo is a perfect example of this. It's also an album I think handily fits your criteria.
Ground Breaking original production ?
Check.
Great lyricism tied to an album long theme ?
Check.
Hailed by critics and fans alike ?
Check.

If it were released in another decade we'd look at it fondly no different than an album from "The Roots".

 

[u mad son?]

Your criteria was "ground breaking lyrics" and "original production".

If I'm judging them off of lyrics many on my list would hold their own against 90's heroes and if I'm going off of production against it's the same story.

And dudes like Black Milk and Oddisee know producing front to back. Samples or not.

I respect the whole "Classic" album thing but you'd have a hard time selling me on the idea that few artists have made enduring works since the 90's or even
since last decade.

It's one of my nagging issues with 90's fetishism, there's great stuff from the 90's but at the same time there's great stuff coming out NOW or at least that's how I see it.

And I'd also argue that albums like "A are dream deferred" or "Music For My Friends" among others from these artists would be regarded as "Classic" if they had the right promotion.

To Pimp A Butterfly imo is a perfect example of this. It's also an album I think handily fits your criteria.
Ground Breaking original production ?
Check.
Great lyricism tied to an album long theme ?
Check.
Hailed by critics and fans alike ?
Check.

If it were released in another decade we'd look at it fondly no different than an album from "The Roots".

Hence why I said TPAB would be the only album to reach that criteria ... and belive me, its not just a 90s thing ... ive got mad albums that droppedin the 2000s that id call a classic, its just that alot of the dudes you mentioned .... hell yeah they killed it lyrically, not a question, but when it came to composing an album that keeps you captivated the whole way through, I just wouldnt agree thats all

 

[DJDONTNOBODYPAYME]

I couldnt give a fukk about politics or industry .... classic hip hop transcends both regardless of that

You're right but this came out in 06' and its still just as rrelevant\hot when it first came out.





Youre only drownin yourself in hot water the more u go on

 

[Insensitive]

Hence why I said TPAB would be the only album to reach that criteria ... and belive me, its not just a 90s thing ... ive got mad albums that droppedin the 2000s that id call a classic, its just that alot of the dudes you mentioned .... hell yeah they killed it lyrically, not a question, but when it came to composing an album that keeps you captivated the whole way through, I just wouldnt agree thats all

For me "Death is Certain" is one of those albums even though it came out last decade.

In some "underground" circles it's regarded as classic but in the general Hip -Hop world there are probably many who've never heard it.

I agree that not everyone is dropping great stuff but at the same time, I'd say that was true in any decade imo. Especially when the style is relatively new, its much harder to continuously break new ground.

 

[DJ Mart-Kos]

My point is that the old school legends are only cosigning these new rappers to stay relevant..

As sad as it is, i have to say this is true.

 

[Taco]

Raekwons newest album was proof of that

IF you have listened to any of Wus classics or OB4CL you would know that they wouldnt have ever collabed with these low level fukks back then, they are doing it now to stay RELEVANT. Collabs have always been in hip hop, but an old school legend collabing with a new wack dude is only so they can get some new fans, that is all. Rae made an album with all the hottest rappers of this time and it just so happens its the wackest album hes ever dropped ..... do you really think Nas back in the 90s or even 2000s would have collabed with a dude like Future? youre out of your mind

Maybe you're missing the bigger picture. Sometimes artist just have to hang up their gloves. Nas my goat but that last tape he put out was probably my second to least favorite out of all his work with N***** being my least favorite. Jay Z in my top 10 but that last album was pure hot garbage. Beats were fire but it was sad to hear Jay tryna sound like this new era. I fukk with both old school and new school music no matter what I'm winning.

 

[Man On Fire]

i mean ,seriously, if u havent given up on looking for "dope" shyt, give it another year or 2 and the sound of hip hop will be so differrent you will.

how can someone who is 35 plus expect to understand what a 20 year olds definition of dope is like?

and to u "i grew up in the wrong era" kids, shut up.

listen to lil yachty, kodak black, young thug,lil uzi vert and playboi carti. u cannot tell me they arent dope as fukk

u cant


/rant.

 

[u mad son?]

You're right but this came out in 06' and its still just as rrelevant\hot when it first came out.





Youre only drownin yourself in hot water the more u go on

I regard both of Games first albums as classics

 

[u mad son?]

Maybe you're missing the bigger picture. Sometimes artist just have to hang up their gloves. Nas my goat but that last tape he put out was probably my second to least favorite out of all his work with N***** being my least favorite. Jay Z in my top 10 but that last album was pure hot garbage. Beats were fire but it was sad to hear Jay tryna sound like this new era. I fukk with both old school and new school music no matter what I'm winning.

I cosign this, when its time for a top spitter to hang up the mic they gotta do what they gotta do to stay relevant and remain fire in the newest generations eyes, and when it comes to this, you cant say theyve failed