HipHopDX.com asks: Has the south ruined hip hop?

[Knicksman20]

Your standard isn't higher or more virtuous .

Its just different. You have different expectations and different criteria.

So do a lot of people... And ultimately how bad can it be ?

Is it bad enough for you to go and do something about it besides criticize ?

I dunno.....

My standards of what's hot are obviously higher or else we wouldn't be having this exchange. I hold artist to a higher standard because that's how the culture used to be. If you were wack you were called wack & told to step up your game. Too many people are cosigning garbage because "they don't wanna hate on another person eating" which has ruined the culture.

 

[CrimsonTider]

How can anyone blame a region or sound? the consumer ruined hip hop, thats all it is, people want ignrance, something they can ride to, smash to, be in the club and bounce to.

The Average consumer only goes by what they exposed to..

Rappers who were doing the opposite were still selling records because they had a somewhat reasonable chance to be heard as much as the alternative..

Its easier and cheaper to promote a random southern rapper who has an 808 and catchy hook on his record..

Labels at this point dont want to do any legwork..

They want everything prepackaged...

The average consumer only listens to what they like as well

 

[CM_Burns]

You made up your mind about this 10 years ago. No point in still discussing it.

 

[Taadow]

The Average consumer only goes by what they exposed to..

Rappers who were doing the opposite were still selling records because they had a somewhat reasonable chance to be heard as much as the alternative..

Its easier and cheaper to promote a random southern rapper who has an 808 and catchy hook on his record..

Labels at this point dont want to do any legwork..

They want everything prepackaged...

Labels never wanted to do any legwork. They always wanted everything prepackaged, or as close to it as possible.

They didn't/don't wanna sign anyone just because they had skills, they want artists that already had a decent
following or were attached to something else that had a decent following. It's like @Mr. Negative said - the South
is always gonna support their chit, doe. It's not because the "808 and catchy hook" sound is so bomb.

IMO, the East Coast is never gonna have that because it's so tribal. Brooklyn niccas generally are not gonna be
supportin' the new Harlem nicca comin' up, and vice versa. Hell, nobody in Queens likes each other. lol
I think of that Mad Rapper interlude on Money, Power, & Respect when Mad Rapper was talmbat
"Yonkers?? All these boroughs here and Puffy had to go all the way to Yonkers to get rappers??"
It's funny, but I think there's some truth to that.

You get a bit of that on the West also. Kurupt was goin' gold everytime he came out, which was respectable,
but Blood niccas was legit not buying his chit even though they thought he could spit. And the reverse for Mack 10
(at first).

By and large, you're not gonna have that bias in play if you're a Southern rapper - and other Southern rappers
will show you love.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

As much as I fukked wit No Limit and Master P them nikkaz started this shyt. Bangin beats, catchy hooks, flooding the market and mostly trash ass rappers. They started it and then Oil John finished it.

This topic has been brought up before the truth is that the East Coast started the downfall on a commercial level

NYC stated jacking the South and that's what opened the flood gates...











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and as I said once in another thread

The south gave them the image they wanted to sell of young black men and women...ignat, rachet and bafoonish...its no secret...no hate cuz theres a lot of great southern hip hop that didnt take that route...the machine knrw which image it wanted to push...

all before the South blew up...it's the blueprint for the commercial rap that came in the later 90's early 2000's

 

[Cynic]

My standards of what's hot are obviously higher or else we wouldn't be having this exchange. I hold artist to a higher standard because that's how the culture used to be. If you were wack you were called wack & told to step up your game. Too many people are cosigning garbage because "they don't wanna hate on another person eating" which has ruined the culture.

There are only obvious to you because they are your own standards.

The music has evolved...technology has evolved but you expect things to stagnate and remain as they did back then ?


Yeah okay

 

[Knicksman20]

There are only obvious to you because they are your own standards.

The music has evolved...technology has evolved but you expect things to stagnate and remain as they did back then ?


Yeah okay

They're obvious to people that know & respect the culture. Evolving to what is what I wanna know. Not all evolving is beneficial because look what we have now. We've deviated so far from the founding principles with no gate keepers in place filtering the garbage & we've got the situation currently.

You seem misguided bruh

 

[untaintedbeats]

This topic has been brought up before the truth is that the East Coast started the downfall on a commercial level

NYC stated jacking the South and that's what opened the flood gates...











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and as I said once in another thread



all before the South blew up...it's the blueprint for the commercial rap that came in the later 90's early 2000's

I agree ny trying to sound like the south did hurt hip hop...i agree it started in the late 90's and on the east...i agre there has been negative images in hip hop way before the south...but honestly...the south took ignorance to a whole nother level...and that aint a diss...thats just keeping it 100...i got love for ugk,kast,goodie,all them cats...but this new crew said we don't give a f@#$ about nothing...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I agree ny trying to sound like the south did hurt hip hop...i agree it started in the late 90's and on the east...i agre there has been negative images in hip hop way before the south..

shiny suit era is the blueprint..all NYC creations

 

[Professor Polo]

So they're saying the south has dominated rap since around 2000. How many classics have southern artists dropped since then?

 

[Cynic]

They're obvious to people that know & respect the culture. Evolving to what is what I wanna know. Not all evolving is beneficial because look what we have now. We've deviated so far from the founding principles with no gate keepers in place filtering the garbage & we've got the situation currently.

You seem misguided bruh

Its only obvious to people who share your ideals. That's the beauty of choice, ain't it ?

Whether its evolved for the better or worse is subjective...

The music business has undergone several changes from declining sales to new technology (streaming/social media)
Which has lowered the cost of production and investment in artist development as well as ROI.


Despite all this you expect consumers to have the same taste/ideals/standards as their predecessors ?


And I seem misguided ?

 

[untaintedbeats]

shiny suit era is the blueprint..all NYC creations

Son...Hip Hop it's self is a NY creation...I know where the shiny suit era came from...that was cats getting drunk off their own fame...son that that started that wasnt even a rapper...he was a label owner...we talking a straight sambo act now...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Son...Hip Hop it's self is a NY creation...I know where the shiny suit era came from...that was cats getting drunk off their own fame...son that that started that wasnt even a rapper...he was a label owner...we talking a straight sambo act now...

Biggie put it into action

 

[untaintedbeats]

Biggie put it into action

big put materialism into action...not being a sambo...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

big put materialism into action...not being a sambo...

Hell is u talm bout NYC HIP HOP has giving us some of our most c00nish ratchet vulgar shameful imagery long before the South became a dominant factor