HipHopDX.com asks: Has the south ruined hip hop?

[IllmaticDelta]

Listen to Nore on why NYC fell off between shiny suit era and not supporting their artists

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Common isn't from the eastcoast

Doesn't matter where he's from (mid western who was stylistically Eastern at the time), the point is look at who he was talking about, it wasn't the South I see you didn't speak on the Roots and Wu disses

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Guess what regions are being referenced to in this back in 1996?


Why Hip-Hop Sucks in '96" – DJ Shadow's commentary on the state of hip hop music at the time – is a brief interlude featuring a looping G-funk-esque beat and a lone voice proclaiming: "It's the money!"[28]

 

[IllmaticDelta]

West Coast was getting that Ether for destroying rap

"Ego Trippin' (Part Two)" is a 1994 single by the group, De La Soul, and the second single to be released from the group's 1993 album, Buhloone Mindstate. The song (and its music video) were a scathing parody on gangsta rap complete with "hardcore" screaming. The video caught the attention of rappers such as Ice Cube and Tupac Shakur, the latter taking exception to the video showing a rapper splashing around in a pool similar to Shakur's own video for his song entitled "I Get Around". The song features vocal contributions from Philadelphia rapper Shorty No Mas who also appeared in the video.

The screaming heard in the intro and outro of the album mix of "Ego Trippin' (Part Two)" is missing from the "Original Version" on the single.

The cover artwork is a tribute to the hip-hop concert flyers of the late 1970s and early 1980s.

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Doesn't matter where he's from (mid western who was stylistically Eastern at the time), the point is look at who he was talking about, it wasn't the South I see you didn't speak on the Roots and Wu disses

Because i dont even know wat the hell ur point was , and really didn't care

I jus saw commons name and felt the need to point that out

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Guess what regions are being referenced to in this back in 1996?


Why Hip-Hop Sucks in '96" – DJ Shadow's commentary on the state of hip hop music at the time – is a brief interlude featuring a looping G-funk-esque beat and a lone voice proclaiming: "It's the money!"[28]

He was talking about the message
Not the quality

 

[Professor Polo]

the south sucks

 

[scarlxrd]

Probably better off

:realthug:

 

[IllmaticDelta]

He was talking about the message
Not the quality

The message is part of the quality

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Because i dont even know wat the hell ur point was ,

The point was obvious

and really didn't care

I jus saw commons name and felt the need to point that out

So, that means you cared

 

[Still Benefited]

you're a fool if you believe southern hiphop is keeping it alive. no its not. it has changed the game into one big JINGLE> if you're not down with making jingle music you cant even sign up for hiphop and make a living at it. sure a very very very small batch of rappers are pulling it off. but they are not getting any where close to the shine these jingle rappers are getting.

Hiphop was never going to die in its more lyrical form mixed in with a healthy does of fun music like it was in the 90's and super early 2000's. The reason it wasnt going to die is because WHITE PEOPLE are the majority in America. and All the white people that grew up on the golden era hiphop, Respects That kind of Hiphop. Sure they will have fun to the nonsense from the south and laugh at it. But there is zero respect for it. There will be no college courses about Future. White people still buy most of the music in this country. If you start giving them cotton candy crap that you can get from anywhere. why pay top dollar for it? why buy that album? this is another reason why album sales dropped like crazy. it wasnt all downloads and bootlegs that did it. the quality fell off the face of the earth so people figured, i'll listen to that club song. but aint paying my hard earned money for the entire album when i can only stomach that one song.

this is why the south cant sell albums, they can only move singles. for the most part. or those that try to sound like them. same situation.

the south ruined hiphop by continously allowing DRUNK/HIGH STRIPPERS dictate whats hot.

Now if that were not the case. Right from Atlanta i would get Future, Outkast, Goodie Mob, and Luda. all from the same place, same area. i would be able to get all of those different types of sounds and quality of hiphop due to those being pushed to the forefront based on quality. Future is cool IN THE STRIP CLUB. on a friday night going to the CLUB, hitting the town. But not on a Wednesday at 1pm. thats what dudes would've voted for. DIVERSITY. women want the same sign along song with the same beat. these ladies are DRUNK and HIGH, lets not forget that point.

You would rather cacs dictate whats respectable in hiphop,and what hiphop is then women?Black women? Black women typically like whoever the hottest rapper in the game is,or that conscious sensitive rapper....3 of the biggest and,3 cats considered most lyrical in the mainstream are popular with black women(Kendrick,Jcole,Drake),respect my sistahs needs to have they minds stimulated my brotha

I wouldn't say men are any more or less guilty in that regard,people just like what they like...men and women alike,many people just consider lyricism and laid back music boring or soft,and want that hard/turnup shyt....The standards are set higher for lyrical rappers on the entertainment side of things but it is what it is....The fact more lyrical rappers cant meet those higher expectations means they suck at what they do too...I reject a lot of these ongoing myths that people keep spouting,that I think many of these artist and execs believe to be true.

Like this idea fans want dumbed down music,fans don't want anybody to dumb down,its just that lyrical rappers often have trouble being entertaining,witty,flexible,lacking flows or delivery....If you can be lyrical and entertain nobody is going to say "fukk em he's lyrical",rappers either run with this myth to excuse their laziness to not have to be better at they craft,or this has been drilled into they mind over the years....probably a little bit of both.

Second myth is that you need to appeal to white people to be successful,appealing to white people has shortened plenty of rappers careers....White people will come to whatever kindve music you make if they hear its the "in" thing at the moment....but if it sucks overall and is microwave music nobody black or white is probably going to buy it,and definitely wont buy it twice....also you could try appealing to BLACK buyers over 30 and maybe you can get some sells that way instead of selling out and alienating EVERYBODY....who are these black artist that appeal so much to whites that's selling albums like crazy?Wiz Khalifa?

Last one is men like what women like?Pac was on sum bullshyt with that one,I think its the other way around....nikkas is more likely to reject you if they get the idea that women like your music too much,and its for the ladies....Meanwhile you can be a nikka who raps majority of street shyt,who sprinkles one female song or two on your album and females will still buy into it,just because you the hot thing goin,and because "That's my song girl,yaass"

Artist development,and banking on real artist is more risky,costly and timely than investing in microwave music from guys who can churn out singles that have hit potential...PLUS have a media and local scene that basically promotes itself,ATL on top of making good music is just set up nicely where its not that riskey for labels....everybody else need to realize they scene may not be set up as nicely anymore and hussle harder.

Wasn't long ago NY was in the same position to force bullshyt on people and we payed attention,matter of fact they still somewhat have that power and flex it every once in a while....guess after so many nikkas crashed and burned they stopped abusing that power

Maybe NY radio stopped supporting the NY sound because that shyt got played out,when the sped up soul samples was in was NY radio not playing that stuff,Dipset got no play?Other than that what sound has NY come up with sense?nikkas tried to go retro or continue with the played out sound and then complain NY sounding music aint getting played? That's like west coast nikkas complaining his new record over mostly 90's sounding Gfunk beats aint getting played on the radio.

nikkas gotta start putting more blame on these producers and not just these rappers...I urge producers from all regions to continue to evolve the sound of hiphop....but we got less of that,and more rappers trying to evolve rap by blending other genres making it no longer hiphop at all to me


Southern producers get it,and been on they shyt

 

[neph27]

you're a fool if you believe southern hiphop is keeping it alive. no its not. it has changed the game into one big JINGLE> if you're not down with making jingle music you cant even sign up for hiphop and make a living at it. sure a very very very small batch of rappers are pulling it off. but they are not getting any where close to the shine these jingle rappers are getting.

Hiphop was never going to die in its more lyrical form mixed in with a healthy does of fun music like it was in the 90's and super early 2000's. The reason it wasnt going to die is because WHITE PEOPLE are the majority in America. and All the white people that grew up on the golden era hiphop, Respects That kind of Hiphop. Sure they will have fun to the nonsense from the south and laugh at it. But there is zero respect for it. There will be no college courses about Future. White people still buy most of the music in this country. If you start giving them cotton candy crap that you can get from anywhere. why pay top dollar for it? why buy that album? this is another reason why album sales dropped like crazy. it wasnt all downloads and bootlegs that did it. the quality fell off the face of the earth so people figured, i'll listen to that club song. but aint paying my hard earned money for the entire album when i can only stomach that one song.

this is why the south cant sell albums, they can only move singles. for the most part. or those that try to sound like them. same situation.

the south ruined hiphop by continously allowing DRUNK/HIGH STRIPPERS dictate whats hot.

Now if that were not the case. Right from Atlanta i would get Future, Outkast, Goodie Mob, and Luda. all from the same place, same area. i would be able to get all of those different types of sounds and quality of hiphop due to those being pushed to the forefront based on quality. Future is cool IN THE STRIP CLUB. on a friday night going to the CLUB, hitting the town. But not on a Wednesday at 1pm. thats what dudes would've voted for. DIVERSITY. women want the same sign along song with the same beat. these ladies are DRUNK and HIGH, lets not forget that point.

this post is awarded out of a possible

you needed to praise the 90s more but other then that it was spot on for the rest in terms of flabby and sickness

this guy said sales dropped because of the quality of rap not strictly because of the avenues that opened up via the Internet file sharing boom...ever think rap wasn't the only genre that dropped in sales from the 2000s?

to refer to the modern south as some sort of fast food rap you can get anywhere is crazy, because you can ONLY get what they offer in its authentic form down there. Atlanta is keeping rap alive

 

[IllmaticDelta]

you're a fool if you believe southern hiphop is keeping it alive. no its not. it has changed the game into one big JINGLE> if you're not down with making jingle music you cant even sign up for hiphop and make a living at it. sure a very very very small batch of rappers are pulling it off. but they are not getting any where close to the shine these jingle rappers are getting.

We know from audible POV that Southern HipHop is making more of an impact across all genres because you can hear the influences going into non-hiphop music. I can't say the same for the later 90's/early to mid 2000's East Coast sounds.

Hiphop was never going to die in its more lyrical form mixed in with a healthy does of fun music like it was in the 90's and super early 2000's.

Commercial East Coast HipHOp had already sold out by the mid to late 90's. It didn't stay true to it's original formula/sounds. This is why we started getting a big divide in the underground-modern backpackers vs mainstream rap by the later 90's.

The reason it wasnt going to die is because WHITE PEOPLE are the majority in America. and All the white people that grew up on the golden era hiphop, Respects That kind of Hiphop. Sure they will have fun to the nonsense from the south and laugh at it. But there is zero respect for it.

You can't depend on white people to keep your own genres economically alive because we've already saw the cycle, where if they are involved it makes the music more commercially popular (Jazz and Disco for example) and once they move on the genre suffers for a mainstream platform.

There will be no college courses about Future. White people still buy most of the music in this country. If you start giving them cotton candy crap that you can get from anywhere. why pay top dollar for it? why buy that album? this is another reason why album sales dropped like crazy. it wasnt all downloads and bootlegs that did it. the quality fell off the face of the earth so people figured, i'll listen to that club song. but aint paying my hard earned money for the entire album when i can only stomach that one song.

You do realize EVERY MAINSTREAM genre sales went down? This was clearly linked to downloading/internet bootlegging combined with a newer generation of music fans.

this is why the south cant sell albums, they can only move singles. for the most part. or those that try to sound like them. same situation.

NOONE is selling albums at a high rate in any genre outside a few select people. When the industry was healthier, cat's from the South/southern sounding music that was considered mainstream was doing numbers

 

[untaintedbeats]

There is also a segment of users who do not use terrestrial radio?

The advantage of technology is some of the apps curate similar artists and playlists.

So if commercial radio isn't doing it for you ...there are multiple options

So WTF are you talking about ? Breh I dunno when you were born
but i'm so grateful I can bump entire libraries on demand 24/7
without wearing out a physical CD or scratching a tape .....

Those stations playing old school music are doing something
about it.... They are serious about it not casual fans reflecting on nostalgia
and enforcing their jaded standards on the current generation

son...not everybody has access to all that..thats why terrestrial radio is still important and still used to push what ever record companies will pay to get play..

 

[untaintedbeats]

Bottom line is NYC/East Coast fuked itself over and they shouldn't look anywhere else to place the blame. Are we gonna act like these songs weren't out in the mid 90's basically talking about East Coast jiggyness and West Coast gangsterism?

Yes yes and yes..again and again...we can agree...theres been bad hip hop in the past...what we saying is the bad hip hop now is on a whole other level of buffoonery and samboism.. it makes that stuff(ther jiggy era,Italian mob era) look pale in comparison...