Historians critique the 1619 Project <> NYT mag. editor responds

[get these nets]

these dudes are (unintentionally) hilarious

they pre-emptively pulled their own cards by saying what the comments section of their vids will say.

fact that they are looking away from the camera while saying that points to them reading comment section in the past and getting angry

I recently read another criticism of the piece they're discussing. the (Black) professor made some valid points. Most notably she pointed out that England didn't abolish slavery in her western hemisphere colonies until 60 years later.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[get these nets]

These people are not going away.

Now, they've signed an open letter calling for the Pulitzer to be revoked.

Pulitzer Board Must Revoke Nikole Hannah-Jones' Prize by Peter Wood | NAS

 

[Red Shield]

These people are not going away.

Now, they've signed an open letter calling for the Pulitzer to be revoked.

Pulitzer Board Must Revoke Nikole Hannah-Jones' Prize by Peter Wood | NAS

looking at who signed the letter... just a bunch of conservative nobodies

 

[LurkMoar]

Cyrus the great banned slavery, humans have always known it was wrong.

 

[Shogun]

What are their “biases” exactly?

Making money.

 

[Danktoker94]

This I agree with. You can't argue that Puerto Rico (and Puerto Ricans) are American's and then completely erase the history of the Tainos from any American slave history.

I need to find the source, but the numbers show that more enslaved Native americans were shipped out of Charleston to South America than Africans were shipped into Charleston.

The Portuguese started the Atlantic version of this in 1482.

The American slave trade is a global history. If you're not telling a global history and drilling into a local scene you're leaving of important motivators.

I mean shyt, to even speak of Lincoln's role in the emancipation of slaves and not speak of his genocidal expansion into the West is terrible.

Many of us are descendants of those enslaved by the Portuguese, traded to the Spanish, then traded to the French. Or English to French. Or Spanish to Dutch. And somehow, some way, in 2019 we're American citizens.

The 1619 project was important.

(Note: this is an incredibly condensed post so some may take offense)

shyt posting at its finest and u a mod writing this trash dismissive cac shyt and it's not even factual

 

[EndDomination]

Ehh, why they made it the 1619 project, when if we’re really to dig into history, you need to go back to the very early 1500’s and the first slaves of the Dutch. I think we need to stop highlighting 1619 and ignoring the century of slavery, racism and indentured servitude preceding it

I just realized you said "we need to stop" as if it's been going on a while and this wasn't the first large scale project to use 1619 as the center

 

[EndDomination]

Making money.

So they're taking on a highly controversial work centered on the US as a settler-colonial state whose economic origins and success are based almost entirely on the market of African peoples or the institutions connected to the chattel slavery of African peoples - controversial to the point they're attacked by the right-wing government - as a purely money-making operation?

Go one step further and actually explain how that "bias" influences the work in any way.

 

[Conan]

These people are not going away.

Now, they've signed an open letter calling for the Pulitzer to be revoked.

Pulitzer Board Must Revoke Nikole Hannah-Jones' Prize by Peter Wood | NAS

Fragile fukking clowns.

To them, the idea of America as this nation that's always been righteous must be protected at all cost.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I just realized you said "we need to stop" as if it's been going on a while and this wasn't the first large scale project to use 1619 as the center

there have been a lot of things to use 1619 from textbooks, to the whole year of return celebration last year in Ghana

 

[get these nets]

there have been a lot of things to use 1619 from textbooks, to the whole year of return celebration last year in Ghana

Agree

People who grew up reading Ebony magazine would remember the ads for this title (if not the original cover)

 

[EndDomination]

there have been a lot of things to use 1619 from textbooks, to the whole year of return celebration last year in Ghana

I've never seen it in any textbook prior to the most recent editions sparked by the project itself - but that may be a function of my going to a poorer, less well-funded school with textbooks from the 90s. I thought the Ghanaian celebration was because it was the first group of enslaved Ghanian people brought to the Virginia colonies - not because its an arbitrary marker.

A wider conversation on the complex European-African relationship - the Arab-European slave trade and the preceding decades of compulsory labor, racialization, and even the development of "Black" as a race can be had - but its a difficulty history to discern.

If you'd have asked the vast swath of people in the U.S. or Africa what the first year was - less than 1% could have told you 1619 as a marker - prior to the 1619 Project. While it is arbitrary in a lot of ways - I agree with you - tossing it out as a usage year is an overzealous overcorrection - and is entirely unnecessary for any real clarity.

 

[get these nets]

I've never seen it in any textbook prior to the most recent editions sparked by the project itself - but that may be a function of my going to a poorer, less well-funded school with textbooks from the 90s. I thought the Ghanaian celebration was because it was the first group of enslaved Ghanian people brought to the Virginia colonies - not because its an arbitrary marker.


If you'd have asked the vast swath of people in the U.S. or Africa what the first year was - less than 1% could have told you 1619 as a marker - prior to the 1619 Project. While it is arbitrary in a lot of ways - I agree with you - tossing it out as a usage year is an overzealous overcorrection - and is entirely unnecessary for any real clarity.

The Africans who arrived at Jamestown were from modern day Angola.

Black academia, media, and artists have noted and discussed the year 1619 for decades. Like I just posted, Ebony magazine carried ads for Before the Mayflower book series for decades. Black Studies Department created in the past 50 years have taught 1619 as a time marker, and since Black History Month was adopted, students have been taught about Jamestown.

In your lifetime, you came across several references to Jamestown and 1619 before you graduated high school.

 

[Shogun]

So they're taking on a highly controversial work centered on the US as a settler-colonial state whose economic origins and success are based almost entirely on the market of African peoples or the institutions connected to the chattel slavery of African peoples - controversial to the point they're attacked by the right-wing government - as a purely money-making operation?

Go one step further and actually explain how that "bias" influences the work in any way.

They service an audience, therefor they attach their names to things that will appeal to that audience.

Want me to go another step and explain cash transactions?