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HL Climate Change Thread: Fare the well old world
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and he got re-elected...
OG_StankBrefs
Da Spice...
ExodusNirvana
Change is inevitable...
Florida has such potential to be an awesome state but....jesus christ the fukkery man...the unapologetic fukkery man 
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the cac mamba
Veteran
rick scott 
They can't say "sustainability"?
Bernie Madoff
Banned
well, i mean, climate change really is a terrible term to use at the moment.
climate refers to change in weather patterns over LONG periods of time. think eons...periods...etc...
while i am certainly not a denier like many are, i refuse to use the term climate change when talking with others about current trends in warming/cooling.
i wish we didnt have to rely on buzzwords and forced people to expand their breadth of critical thinking.
source: civil engineering student with environmental specialization.
climate refers to change in weather patterns over LONG periods of time. think eons...periods...etc...
while i am certainly not a denier like many are, i refuse to use the term climate change when talking with others about current trends in warming/cooling.
i wish we didnt have to rely on buzzwords and forced people to expand their breadth of critical thinking.
source: civil engineering student with environmental specialization.
You're an engineer in the specific field so of course to you the term has been b*stardized. But for the everyday people like me, it's a good term which defines rather clearly the issue of human impact on the current trend. It's not accurate technically speaking but it's not wrong to the commoner.
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Domingo Halliburton
Handmade in USA
Climate change is just God hugging the earth a little closer
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Florida’s Not The Only State Where Officials Censored The Term ‘Climate Change’
BY EMILY ATKIN
POSTED ON MARCH 9, 2015 AT 3:12 PM
Florida Gov. Rick Scott, pictured here, has been accused of directing state officials not to use the term “climate change” in any official communication.
CREDIT: AP PHOTO/LYNNE SLADKY
It may have seemed surprising when, on Sunday, four former employees of Florida’s state Department of Environmental Protection said they were forbidden to use the words “climate change” and “global warming” in any official communications.
But as it turns out, the alleged practice is not unusual — at least in states with governors who do not accept the scientific validity of human-caused climate change. In fact, two states were accused of implementing a very similar practice with their environmental conservation agencies last year.
The most recent accusation came in September, when a former employee of the Pennsylvania Department of Conservation and Natural Resources told the Allegheny Front that he was explicitly ordered to remove references to “climate change” from the agency’s website. The orders, he said, came from members of then-Gov. Tom Corbett’s (R) administration.
A few months prior to that, WRAL News revealed that The North Carolina Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) was removing links and documents about climate change from its website. In that case the agency defended the practice, telling ThinkProgress that the state lacked “clear regulatory responsibility” to deal with global warming.
Though none of those allegations have been definitely proven to come from the governors of those states, their governors do all have two things in common: They do not publicly accept the science of human-caused climate change, and they have actively pushed policies to downplay the threat of human-caused climate change.
Take Pennsylvania’s Corbett. Before getting defeated by current Gov. Tom Wolf in his 2015 reelection bid, he was notorious for his pro-fossil fuel policies. While in office, Corbett eliminated programs to research climate impacts to the state, appointed a climate science denier to head his Environmental Protection agency, and gutted efforts to encourage renewable energy. He also often questioned whether climate change was is really a threat, characterizing it as a “subject of debate” among scientists.
North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) has also been consistently lukewarm on the subject of climate. In an interview last year, McCrory said he feels “there has always been climate change,” a common dodge to avoid saying that humans cause it with greenhouse gas emissions. He joined eight other governors to ask President Obama to delay proposed rules to reduce carbon pollution, and supports opening up North Carolina’s coastline to drilling.
It makes sense, then, that Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s (R) state would join the club of states that have allegedly censored mention of climate change. Scott started his campaign for Governor in 2010 by saying he “has not been convinced” about global warming, and hasn’t since changed his tune. Now, he avoids the question by stating “I’m not a scientist,” the now-standard dodge loved among some of Congress’ most well-known conservatives.
The only thing that makes Scott’s case at least little different than his colleagues’ in North Carolina and Pennsylvania is Florida’s unique vulnerability to climate change. Yes, North Carolina is losing coastline and Pennsylvania is projected to see more violent storms, but parts of Florida are literally in danger of being submerged due to sea level rise. Miami faces a unique risk, because the city is built on top of porous limestone, which according to the New York Times “is already allowing the rising seas to soak into the city’s foundation, bubble up through pipes and drains, encroach on fresh water supplies and saturate infrastructure.”
Those are certainly unpleasant things to deal with. Fortunately for Florida state officials, they apparently don’t have to talk about it.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/09/3631465/not-just-florida-censoring-climate-change-talk/
lunatics
BY EMILY ATKIN
POSTED ON MARCH 9, 2015 AT 3:12 PM
Florida Gov. Rick Scott, pictured here, has been accused of directing state officials not to use the term “climate change” in any official communication.
CREDIT: AP PHOTO/LYNNE SLADKY
It may have seemed surprising when, on Sunday, four former employees of Florida’s state Department of Environmental Protection said they were forbidden to use the words “climate change” and “global warming” in any official communications.
But as it turns out, the alleged practice is not unusual — at least in states with governors who do not accept the scientific validity of human-caused climate change. In fact, two states were accused of implementing a very similar practice with their environmental conservation agencies last year.
The most recent accusation came in September, when a former employee of the Pennsylvania Department of Conservation and Natural Resources told the Allegheny Front that he was explicitly ordered to remove references to “climate change” from the agency’s website. The orders, he said, came from members of then-Gov. Tom Corbett’s (R) administration.
A few months prior to that, WRAL News revealed that The North Carolina Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR) was removing links and documents about climate change from its website. In that case the agency defended the practice, telling ThinkProgress that the state lacked “clear regulatory responsibility” to deal with global warming.
Though none of those allegations have been definitely proven to come from the governors of those states, their governors do all have two things in common: They do not publicly accept the science of human-caused climate change, and they have actively pushed policies to downplay the threat of human-caused climate change.
Take Pennsylvania’s Corbett. Before getting defeated by current Gov. Tom Wolf in his 2015 reelection bid, he was notorious for his pro-fossil fuel policies. While in office, Corbett eliminated programs to research climate impacts to the state, appointed a climate science denier to head his Environmental Protection agency, and gutted efforts to encourage renewable energy. He also often questioned whether climate change was is really a threat, characterizing it as a “subject of debate” among scientists.
North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) has also been consistently lukewarm on the subject of climate. In an interview last year, McCrory said he feels “there has always been climate change,” a common dodge to avoid saying that humans cause it with greenhouse gas emissions. He joined eight other governors to ask President Obama to delay proposed rules to reduce carbon pollution, and supports opening up North Carolina’s coastline to drilling.
It makes sense, then, that Florida Gov. Rick Scott’s (R) state would join the club of states that have allegedly censored mention of climate change. Scott started his campaign for Governor in 2010 by saying he “has not been convinced” about global warming, and hasn’t since changed his tune. Now, he avoids the question by stating “I’m not a scientist,” the now-standard dodge loved among some of Congress’ most well-known conservatives.
The only thing that makes Scott’s case at least little different than his colleagues’ in North Carolina and Pennsylvania is Florida’s unique vulnerability to climate change. Yes, North Carolina is losing coastline and Pennsylvania is projected to see more violent storms, but parts of Florida are literally in danger of being submerged due to sea level rise. Miami faces a unique risk, because the city is built on top of porous limestone, which according to the New York Times “is already allowing the rising seas to soak into the city’s foundation, bubble up through pipes and drains, encroach on fresh water supplies and saturate infrastructure.”
Those are certainly unpleasant things to deal with. Fortunately for Florida state officials, they apparently don’t have to talk about it.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/09/3631465/not-just-florida-censoring-climate-change-talk/
lunatics
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
It’s ‘Orwellian': Florida Scientists Respond To Report That State Agency Banned ‘Climate Change’
BY KATIE VALENTINE
POSTED ON MARCH 9, 2015 AT 4:10 PM
Florida Gov. Rick Scott speaks to members of the media, Wednesday, July 16, 2014 before a bill signing in Key Biscayne, Fla.
CREDIT: AP PHOTO/WILFREDO LEE
On Sunday, the Florida Center for Investigative Reporting published a story that alleged that Florida’s Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) had unofficially banned its employees from saying the words “climate change” and “global warming” in official communications. The charge of censorship clashes sharply with Florida’s vulnerability to the effects of climate change, particularly sea level rise.
But Ben Kirtman, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Miami who’s been in contact with members of the DEP and other state agencies in the past, wasn’t surprised by the report. He told ThinkProgress that he’d spoken with employees of other Florida agencies — he declined to name which ones — who had said that they, too, had been told not to talk about climate change in their professional capacity. So before he read the FCIR report, he knew that this censorship was likely occurring, at least at some agencies.
“The first thing they said to me was, ‘Oh we’re not allowed to talk about that,'” Kirtman said of a meeting in which he brought up climate change with employees of a state agency.
The FCIR report included multiple interviews with former employees of and volunteers with the state’s DEP, all of whom said the unwritten rule had been implemented soon after Gov. Rick Scott (R) took office in 2011. Both the DEP and the governor’s office denied the existence of a policy on talking about climate change to the FCIR, and Gov. Scott himself has also reportedly said that the claims aren’t true. The DEP confirmed its stance denying the policy to ThinkProgress Monday.
“It’s simply not true — there’s nothing else to add,” Dee Ann Miller, spokesperson for Florida’s DEP, said. “We have no such policy.”
Florida State University environmental science professor Jeffrey Chanton gives a presentation to Florida Gov. Rick Scott on climate change on Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2014 in Tallahassee, Fla.
CREDIT: AP PHOTOS/BRENDAN FARRINGTON
But Kirtman said he thinks there’s been a “concerted effort” from Gov. Scott’s administration to prevent climate change from being a major part of the state government’s discussion. Gov. Scott has historically avoided questions regarding climate change, saying in 2010 that he had “not been convinced” that the phenomenon was happening, but answering only “I’m not a scientist” during last year’s gubernatorial race.
Kirtman said he thinks the unofficial policy on mentioning climate change at the DEP was a political move on the part of the governor’s office.
“I believe it was a political mistake, that the Scott administration made this political calculation that they would lose political support if they allowed their administration to talk about climate change,” he said, adding that he thought Gov. Scott was following the lead of some members of Congress in trying to ignore the issue of climate change.
Kirtman’s previous experience with Florida agencies may have stifled his surprise at the FCIR report, but David Hastings, professor of marine science and chemistry at Florida’s Eckerd College, said he was shocked by the article.
“At first I thought it was out of the Onion or some other kind of satirical website,” he said. “It was like a page out of 1984. It was Orwellian. That they are not allowing a word to be used…it’s scary.”
Both scientists — along with Jeff Chanton, the John Widmer Winchester Professor of Oceanography at Florida State University — were dismayed by the article’s claims. Chanton said the unwritten rule amounted to “muzzling science,” and Kirtman said he thought it would be difficult for the state to make significant headway on mitigating and adapting to climate change if state agencies like the DEP weren’t allowed to talk about it.
That’s important because, in Florida, the threats surrounding climate change and its impacts are only becoming more dire — the state, especially the Southern region, is particularly vulnerable to sea level rise and the ecological, economic, and infrastructure-related problems that come with it. Though Scott last month announced a proposed effort to mitigate the effects of sea level rise in Florida, Florida’s state government has been slow to act on climate change.
The scientists stressed the need for the state to use the latest climate science to inform its decisions on climate change, and said the state needed to start planning for climate impacts now, or risk much costlier adaptation measures in the future.
“To say you can’t talk about the best available science is crazy,” Kirtman said. “It’s like telling doctors they can’t do a CAT scan when people have cancer because, ‘I don’t believe in it.'”
Both Kirtman and Hastings expressed worries that the policy was anti-business too. Acting on climate change could bring a variety of business opportunities to the state — in renewable energy, resilient building and retrofitting, and other areas — and blocking that economic growth goes against the governor’s pro-jobs mentality.
All three scientists were among the five who met with Gov. Scott last August, in an attempt to provide him a basis on what climate change is and what effects it’s having in Florida. The scientists left that meeting unsure whether Gov. Scott had gotten the message — he’d taken up about a third of the 30-minute meeting with small talk and hadn’t asked any climate-related questions, they said — but they’re still hopeful that the governor will meet with them again on the issue. They’re also hopeful that the governor’s office will address the policy on climate change censorship, saying definitively that state employees will be able to speak about climate change from now on.
“What the administration needs to do is come out and say, ‘we’ve made a mistake, were sorry, and we’ll do better in the future,” Chanton said. “I believe they’ll do the right thing.”
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BY KATIE VALENTINE
POSTED ON MARCH 9, 2015 AT 4:10 PM
Florida Gov. Rick Scott speaks to members of the media, Wednesday, July 16, 2014 before a bill signing in Key Biscayne, Fla.
CREDIT: AP PHOTO/WILFREDO LEE
On Sunday, the Florida Center for Investigative Reporting published a story that alleged that Florida’s Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) had unofficially banned its employees from saying the words “climate change” and “global warming” in official communications. The charge of censorship clashes sharply with Florida’s vulnerability to the effects of climate change, particularly sea level rise.
But Ben Kirtman, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Miami who’s been in contact with members of the DEP and other state agencies in the past, wasn’t surprised by the report. He told ThinkProgress that he’d spoken with employees of other Florida agencies — he declined to name which ones — who had said that they, too, had been told not to talk about climate change in their professional capacity. So before he read the FCIR report, he knew that this censorship was likely occurring, at least at some agencies.
“The first thing they said to me was, ‘Oh we’re not allowed to talk about that,'” Kirtman said of a meeting in which he brought up climate change with employees of a state agency.
The FCIR report included multiple interviews with former employees of and volunteers with the state’s DEP, all of whom said the unwritten rule had been implemented soon after Gov. Rick Scott (R) took office in 2011. Both the DEP and the governor’s office denied the existence of a policy on talking about climate change to the FCIR, and Gov. Scott himself has also reportedly said that the claims aren’t true. The DEP confirmed its stance denying the policy to ThinkProgress Monday.
“It’s simply not true — there’s nothing else to add,” Dee Ann Miller, spokesperson for Florida’s DEP, said. “We have no such policy.”
Florida State University environmental science professor Jeffrey Chanton gives a presentation to Florida Gov. Rick Scott on climate change on Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2014 in Tallahassee, Fla.
CREDIT: AP PHOTOS/BRENDAN FARRINGTON
But Kirtman said he thinks there’s been a “concerted effort” from Gov. Scott’s administration to prevent climate change from being a major part of the state government’s discussion. Gov. Scott has historically avoided questions regarding climate change, saying in 2010 that he had “not been convinced” that the phenomenon was happening, but answering only “I’m not a scientist” during last year’s gubernatorial race.
Kirtman said he thinks the unofficial policy on mentioning climate change at the DEP was a political move on the part of the governor’s office.
“I believe it was a political mistake, that the Scott administration made this political calculation that they would lose political support if they allowed their administration to talk about climate change,” he said, adding that he thought Gov. Scott was following the lead of some members of Congress in trying to ignore the issue of climate change.
Kirtman’s previous experience with Florida agencies may have stifled his surprise at the FCIR report, but David Hastings, professor of marine science and chemistry at Florida’s Eckerd College, said he was shocked by the article.
“At first I thought it was out of the Onion or some other kind of satirical website,” he said. “It was like a page out of 1984. It was Orwellian. That they are not allowing a word to be used…it’s scary.”
Both scientists — along with Jeff Chanton, the John Widmer Winchester Professor of Oceanography at Florida State University — were dismayed by the article’s claims. Chanton said the unwritten rule amounted to “muzzling science,” and Kirtman said he thought it would be difficult for the state to make significant headway on mitigating and adapting to climate change if state agencies like the DEP weren’t allowed to talk about it.
That’s important because, in Florida, the threats surrounding climate change and its impacts are only becoming more dire — the state, especially the Southern region, is particularly vulnerable to sea level rise and the ecological, economic, and infrastructure-related problems that come with it. Though Scott last month announced a proposed effort to mitigate the effects of sea level rise in Florida, Florida’s state government has been slow to act on climate change.
The scientists stressed the need for the state to use the latest climate science to inform its decisions on climate change, and said the state needed to start planning for climate impacts now, or risk much costlier adaptation measures in the future.
“To say you can’t talk about the best available science is crazy,” Kirtman said. “It’s like telling doctors they can’t do a CAT scan when people have cancer because, ‘I don’t believe in it.'”
Both Kirtman and Hastings expressed worries that the policy was anti-business too. Acting on climate change could bring a variety of business opportunities to the state — in renewable energy, resilient building and retrofitting, and other areas — and blocking that economic growth goes against the governor’s pro-jobs mentality.
All three scientists were among the five who met with Gov. Scott last August, in an attempt to provide him a basis on what climate change is and what effects it’s having in Florida. The scientists left that meeting unsure whether Gov. Scott had gotten the message — he’d taken up about a third of the 30-minute meeting with small talk and hadn’t asked any climate-related questions, they said — but they’re still hopeful that the governor will meet with them again on the issue. They’re also hopeful that the governor’s office will address the policy on climate change censorship, saying definitively that state employees will be able to speak about climate change from now on.
“What the administration needs to do is come out and say, ‘we’ve made a mistake, were sorry, and we’ll do better in the future,” Chanton said. “I believe they’ll do the right thing.”
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